spin

spin:
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If you reject my understanding of morals then you won't adopt my answers. This was not what I was asking you to do though.

PB:
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I think I reject your understanding of morality.
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Now that we know that, what brings you here?

Pomp

spin,

First of all, I admire your ability to ignore any question you find it difficult to answer.

Now that we know that, what brings you here?

I usually use this forum to discuss matters related to morality. You, apparently, want to use this forum to assert your opinion about morality and dismiss any dissenting opinion. Have fun.

99Percent

This thread is getting nowhere.

Spin, unless you seriously address the issues here, I will have no other option than to close, or move the thread to Rants, Raves and Preaching forum.

The burden on proving the immorality of eating meat lies on you, not its opposite on us.

spin

PB:
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It means whatever its interpeter thinks it means, which doesn't lead to very productive discussions. Perhaps, rather than expect me to intuitively deterine the "spirit" of the terms you are using, you would be kind enough to spell out what you mean?

Similarly, when we discuss contract theory, you might do well to discuss what its proponetns actually say rather than your interpretation of the "spirit" of their arguments. Did you ever read the link I provided for you?
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To make the situation short: As you don't live under the conditions of the people who formulated the idea, then it is not relevant.

If we scratch a little deeper, you'd understand why they formulated the idea in the conditions they were in and with the understandings they had.

99Percent

Actually I think the U.S. Constitution is developed after the contract theory of morality. We all agree on this contract, namely the Constitution.

As far as I am concerned, the cows and chickens of our nation are not aware of this Constitution. I wonder why...

spin

I don't know about you, but this animal is off to its cave.

spin

I am trying to go to bed, but:

99%
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Actually I think the U.S. Constitution is developed after the contract theory of morality. We all agree on this contract, namely the Constitution.
As far as I am concerned, the cows and chickens of our nation are not aware of this Constitution.
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Neither are your young children, but that won't help them, will it?

And I wouldn't hold the constitution up as you do. This was the consitution under which black Americans had almost no rights until about thirty five years ago, and under which the Native American population was decimated. So much for theories.

Pomp

spin,

To make the situation short: As you don't live under the conditions of the people who formulated the idea, then it is not relevant.

If we scratch a little deeper, you'd understand why they formulated the idea in the conditions they were in and with the understandings they had.

Translation: "Those philosophers didn't mean what they said. They meant what I think they should have said, based on my detailed knowledge of the circumstances in which they lived."

Spin, we each have our own interpretation of the "spirit" of any given idea. Rather than engaging in fruitless argument over the "true spirit" of an idea, it is much more conducive to civil discussion if we limit ourselves to considering verifiable facts, such as what people have actually said, rather than unverifiable conjecture, such as what we think they may have meant.

spin

PB:
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I usually use this forum to discuss matters related to morality. You, apparently, want to use this forum to assert your opinion about morality and dismiss any dissenting opinion. Have fun.
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All you did PB was employ your contract theory to say what you wanted to say before you ran to it, and that was that you don't see any reason not to eat meat. You have since shown that you didn't need the theory because you were a "moral subjectivist", who doesn't need any moral standard outside the self.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

spin

PB needed to respond to this:

To make the situation short: As you don't live under the conditions of the people who formulated the idea, then it is not relevant.