Daleth

Aw, c'mon, yguy, get some brains. Dispassionate does not mean lacking in carnal passion. Look it up. Only one phrase in the definition says "lacking the influence of passion". Synonyms: cool, calm, fair, judicious, composed. Since dispassionate does not mean the same thing as passionless, there's nothing for me to say yes or no to in your silly quibble.

yguy

dispassionate

\Dis*pas"sion*ate\, a. 1. Free from passion; not warped, prejudiced, swerved, or carried away by passion or feeling; judicial; calm; composed.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

You are the one playing semantical games here. No way in the world can you say sadism is devoid of passion. It can only be devoid of the outward appearance of it. The point being that a spanking delivered by someone who is "cool, calm, fair, judicious and composed" cannot possibly be sadistic.

Daleth

And I didn't try to say it was devoid of passion. You tried to get me to say that, but I never meant that. Sadism can absolutely be cool, calm, and all of that. It is merely taking pleasure in hurting someone else. If you want a BDSM thread, go start one. I was not addressing the level of passion in sadism and you know it.

Address the person who made the comment in the first place, troll-boy. Get a new playmate. I'm working right now, and certainly don't have time for you.

yguy

No, it can't, except by outward appearances.

And just how in hell can one do that fairly, seeing how you yourself cited "fair" as a synonym?

Of course not - you're saying it can have none. And you're dead wrong.

Now I believe if you were honest with yourself for one fat second, rather than fixating on what you consider my trollish behavior, you'd see that the problem you're having with what I'm saying is that you can't conceive of anyone spanking a kid in a fair and dispassionate manner. I think you will find the defense of such a view you an impossible task - which could explain your silly contentiousness.

Sounds like maybe I did something to you I don't know about. Care to share?

You are welcome to answer me tomorrow, next week, next year, or never. In any case, I guess I'll live.

MrFurious76

I don't have any online references, but spanking is coming back in vogue as a form of discipline. Studies are now coming out that show it to be a highly effective form of discipline. From the criminals I have personally treated, there hasn't been one that was spanked as punishment. There was just no physical punishment whatsoever, or parents that beat the crap out of them for no reason. The two extremes. I view it as highly effective for certain age groups and when used in moderation, and the recent research supporting that should be appearing online somewhere. I doubt it will get much press since spanking is now considered "bad!" by most of the public. I've read two studies in class so far that are within the last year that find it strongly effective. If I can dig up my notes or find them online somewhere that is easily accessible I'll post em.

ProNihil

To this day, I can't help but laugh when I think of the time I was five and decided that it would be a good idea to throw rocks at passing cars from the end of my driveway.

Of course, some man got out when I had hit his car, thankfully on the bumper, and proceeded to give me a spanking. I ran home to daddy and told him what happened and he said, "good."

The point is, kids are alot tougher than we think, and coupled with lots of love and encouragement, a spanking can do wonders for a child who is the right age. I never threw rocks at cars again. And for those who say it was because I was scared of the consequences, hell yes! You think I gave a rats ass about a dent in some strangers car when I was five? Please. One thing though, I never questioned the fact that my parents loved me, ever.

MrFurious76

You hit the nail on the head with one simple comment Pro, its all about AGE. This view of children as "little adults" goes back to an archaic way of thinking I thought was long dead. They are NOT little adults, their minds do NOT work the same way as a child even a few years older and a quick physical slap on the wrist or butt, even if it doesn't really hurt, will get their attention. Children do NOT understand an adults higher concepts, and trying to reason with them is an effort in folly, odds are they will just nod and pretend to understand when really they have no clue. And if you do send them to their room most of them will forget what they're being punished for by the time they get there. A spanking timed close to the offending incident works wonders. Now, if you spank them well after the event its basically useless. Spanking right at a bad behavior though works well, and I see it daily in our child labs. A certain age you need spanking, because children just won't understand below a certain age. I'm talking children 5-6 and under. I think after that point physical punishments should be gone except for the most severe of behaviors.

excreationist

That isn't the only non-violent punishment there is.... I can't really think of some good alternatives at the moment though.

Pain Paien

I hope that this ridiculous assertation was just an error. If it wasn't, it doesn't really deserve attention.

I find it rather illogical to think that physical violence is necessary with children. Verbal disciplining works perfectly well with pets, why should parents have to hit children to make them understand what they did was wrong? Having dealt with severely hyperactive children myself, I've found that the right tone works wonders. In my opionion good parents shouldn't have to resort to physical punishment to correct a child's behavior. If it gets to the point where the children won't react to anything other than violence I believe it's already to late.

Julie

Why is it that if an adult hits an adult its a criminal offence, but its perfectly find to hit a very small compleatly defenceless totally dependant on you person?

If we're going on mential capabilities then Smacking Granny should be just fine too.

The only thing spanking does is prove your bigger and stronger than the child.