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Albion · 10-10-2002, 08:28 PM

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The original author of this list could take two or three of the best examples and perform a detailed exposition. Even more persuasive would be to follow this with a critique--a critical examination of the exposition which considers the alternative explanations and demonstrates them to be unlikely.

I'm quiet sure he could. Oolon is more than capable of detailed discussions on single subjects. But, you see, the problem then usually is that the creationist comes back with a comment along the lines of "Oh, well, REALLY, that's just one or two items you're getting so bent out of shape about - surely there'd have to be a whole lot of them before you could draw any real conclusions." So he produces a whole lot of examples and gets accused of being shallow. Can't win for losing, can you?

Albion · 10-10-2002, 08:33 PM

Great post, BTW, Kevin. Like Zetek said, if TO doesn't already have something like this, why don't you and Oolon submit it? Or how about the new TalkDesign board, would that be more appropriate?

Doubting Didymus · 10-10-2002, 08:38 PM

Talkorigins already has one.

Sheep in the big city · 10-10-2002, 08:48 PM

Obviously there is one more glaring example for suboptimal design: Vanderzyden's brain
Now why would a benevolent God create sth like that?

[ October 10, 2002: Message edited by: Sheep in the big city ]

Doubting Didymus · 10-10-2002, 08:50 PM

Stop that, you'll chase him away. I want to see a reply.

Sheep in the big city · 10-10-2002, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by Doubting Didymus:
Stop that, you'll chase him away. I want to see a reply.

Like the reply you got to your first post here? Have fun!

Doubting Didymus · 10-10-2002, 08:56 PM

You make a good point. Arrgh. I'm torn between wanting vanderzyden to actually address something substantial in this forum and never wanting to hear from him again. Perhaps I should just opt out in exasperation like so many others have done.

Camaban · 10-10-2002, 09:52 PM

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You make a good point. Arrgh. I'm torn between wanting vanderzyden to actually address something substantial in this forum and never wanting to hear from him again. Perhaps I should just opt out in exasperation like so many others have done.

As for the not wanting to see him again, keep in mind that these forums exist because we're arguing

if all the people like him left, to be replaced by intelligent, perceptive but-slightly-undereducated people, the debates wouldn't last long enough.

Do it for the lurkers

Besides. I enjoy reading his responses... they amuse me.

Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ · 10-10-2002, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by Vanderzyden:


OK, let me try a different approach:

All of these examples are NOT examples of poor design.

Please demonstrate this statement to be false, with one significant, actual example.

Vanderzyden

[ October 10, 2002: Message edited by: Vanderzyden ]

Giving eyes to creatures whose species CANNOT SEE AT ALL is poor design. There is NO USE for it, so te question is, "Why Bother?" It's a waste of materials--any designer worth a damn doesn't waste materials if he can avoid it. And guess what? An omnipotent deity can certainly avoid it.

Doubting Didymus · 10-10-2002, 10:14 PM

Now taking bets on vanderzydens return.

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10-10-2002, 08:33 PM	#12
Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	Great post, BTW, Kevin. Like Zetek said, if TO doesn't already have something like this, why don't you and Oolon submit it? Or how about the new TalkDesign board, would that be more appropriate?

10-10-2002, 08:38 PM	#13
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	Talkorigins already has one.

10-10-2002, 08:50 PM	#15
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	Stop that, you'll chase him away. I want to see a reply.

10-10-2002, 08:56 PM	#17
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	You make a good point. Arrgh. I'm torn between wanting vanderzyden to actually address something substantial in this forum and never wanting to hear from him again. Perhaps I should just opt out in exasperation like so many others have done.

10-10-2002, 10:14 PM	#20
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	Now taking bets on vanderzydens return.

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