Biff the unclean

Seraphim
To ask question is human nature, to seek answers is human nature as well, God's nature is just to push us in the right direction.
Gods nature???!!! How can you clam to know Gods Nature if you can't produce a God to observe?

And how will you know God even if I show Him to you?
Do you know yourself first, much less God?
I'll tell you what I do know when I see it. And that's a "bunch of baloney."
What is it that I might mistake this God of yours for? A rock, a Hooters Babe, a wedge of cheese? If you show him to me wouldn't it be obvious that it was a God? Or is your God such a deceiver that he wouldn't let himself seem like a God? If I wouldn't know a God when I see one how is it that you know one even when you don't?

Wrong ... God/Gods don't help us to LIVE our lives. Don't expect someone else to live for you.
Then why did you say that God did?

To me, Theist and Atheist has no difference to them, only one has faith in God which will help them up and another has faith in themselves. Which is stronger ... you decide.
As weak and ineffectual as I might be I'm still infinitely stronger that an imaginary character. I pick ME.

Yet ... it is the cow shit used as manuerve (wrong term here?) in some part of the world to grow plants and vegetables
Here in the States "Bull Shit" means a lie.

Human nature to find goodness even in what appears to be evil ... maybe that's why God still like Humans so much. Me? I rather He wipe everything of the Planet and start something cuter
Don't let us stand in the way. Can I have your computer?

Seraphim

by Biff the unclean

Gods nature???!!! How can you clam to know Gods Nature if you can't produce a God to observe?

Which is why I asked you whether you know yourself first, before you can get to know God.

I'll tell you what I do know when I see it. And that's a "bunch of baloney."

IF that is your opinion, Fine by me. Your choice in the matter, right? Why should I disagree with you when it has nothing to do with my life?

What is it that I might mistake this God of yours for? A rock, a Hooters Babe, a wedge of cheese? If you show him to me wouldn't it be obvious that it was a God? Or is your God such a deceiver that he wouldn't let himself seem like a God? If I wouldn't know a God when I see one how is it that you know one even when you don't?

I will answer the last question. If you wouldn't know God even if you see one, then how do I know God even if I don't see Him?

Simple answer is ... I know myself.

"I don't get it ... Is God out there?" - Dr. Mc Coy.
"Maybe God isn't out there ... maybe He is in here," Captain Kirk - tapping his chest, "In the Human Heart."
- Star Trek (one of the movies).

Then why did you say that God did?
Good ... we got that settle. Your life, your responsibility ... agreed?

As weak and ineffectual as I might be I'm still infinitely stronger that an imaginary character. I pick ME.

Your choice, once again ...
Only you will be the judge of how strong you are.

Here in the States "Bull Shit" means a lie.
Thank you for the defination.

Don't let us stand in the way. Can I have your computer?
Not mine ... my company's.
And No ... you won't be in the way even if you wanted to

hinduwoman

Seraphim some more.
In Maharasthra the Peshwa historians tried to legitimise muslim rule and fit them in a 'Hindu' history. So one book states that:
once Shiva was missing Parvati and Ganesh very much. Then Muhammad one of Shiva's servants, brought them. Shiva was pleased and sent seven poigambors to earth to rule. That is how Islamic rule came to India.

Biff the unclean

(How can you clam to know Gods Nature if you can't produce a God to observe?)
Which is why I asked you whether you know yourself first, before you can get to know God.
I see so observing me would be the same thing as observing a God. Yeah, sure, that makes sense…a God like Adonis or Apollo.
Adonis wore glasses and had a bald spot on the back of his head too, didn't he?

If you wouldn't know God even if you see one, then how do I know God even if I don't see Him?

Simple answer is ... I know myself.

Or an even simpler answer…you don't, you are only pretending. Shame on you.

"I don't get it ... Is God out there?" - Dr. Mc Coy.
"Maybe God isn't out there ... maybe He is in here," Captain Kirk - tapping his chest, "In the Human Heart."
- Star Trek (one of the movies).
Right that was the one where the no longer young (Hell, the no longer middle aged) Nichelle Nichols does a fan dance. My stomach still twinges at the very thought.
Did you notice anything else about that movie? It was filled with Klingons, Vulcans, phasers, William Shatner's toupee, faster than light space ships, tri-corders…it's FICTION.

Llyricist

I thought it was religion that was in your heart......and God is in the bushes??

Seraphim

by hinduwoman

Seraphim some more.
In Maharasthra the Peshwa historians tried to legitimise muslim rule and fit them in a 'Hindu' history. So one book states that:
once Shiva was missing Parvati and Ganesh very much. Then Muhammad one of Shiva's servants, brought them. Shiva was pleased and sent seven poigambors to earth to rule. That is how Islamic rule came to India.

I thought Islam came through Kyber Pass by caravans of sword-weilding barbarians from the Middle East

I usually watch Astro Channels (equivalent to Cables) to watch the classics (all races, not only Indians). I remember hearing stories about Shiva going down to Earth whenever He has quarrel with His consort ... never remembered anyone else bring Her up to Him before.


by Biff the unclean

I see so observing me would be the same thing as observing a God. Yeah, sure, that makes sense…a God like Adonis or Apollo.
Adonis wore glasses and had a bald spot on the back of his head too, didn't he?

Observe your emotions and how you handle things in real world, ask questions on why you're doing something and when you minus off all the negative emotions and attachments ... give me a call then.

And speaking of which ... Do you persume that all things in the world can be shown by physical attributes?

IF so ... what physical attributes do you consider love (parents, mate and friends) is shown by? Respect? Inner Strenght? Wisdom?
What physical attributes does this qualities has?

Or an even simpler answer…you don't, you are only pretending. Shame on you.

OR you're pretending you didn't know ...
Anyway ... if that is how you feel, I cannot do anything to prove otherwise, can I?

Right that was the one where the no longer young (Hell, the no longer middle aged) Nichelle Nichols does a fan dance. My stomach still twinges at the very thought.
Did you notice anything else about that movie? It was filled with Klingons, Vulcans, phasers, William Shatner's toupee, faster than light space ships, tri-corders…it's FICTION.

So is Science which you worship so much, bub

You make scientifics models out of computer graphics, data and simulations, run experiments which half the time gives the desired results and other half throws more questions than answers and you assume that just because it is logical (by our own limited knowledge and intelligent), then it is true.

Besides ... I was referring to the meaning of phases ... not the physical attributions which associated with the scenario of the movie.

hinduwoman

Details, details! They came here with the blessings of Poigambars who had the blessings of Shiva.

Seraphim

by hinduwoman

Details, details! They came here with the blessings of Poigambars who had the blessings of Shiva.

Sure they did ... (Sarcasm)

And noone bothered to ask why Muslims Moghuls whack Shiva and Vishnu temples AND become one of the main cause why Buddhism left India?

What's a Poigambars?

Biff the unclean

Observe your emotions and how you handle things in real world, ask questions on why you're doing something and when you minus off all the negative emotions and attachments ... give me a call then.
And what? You'll have a bottle of snake oil for me to buy?

And speaking of which ... Do you persume that all things in the world can be shown by physical attributes?
I'll tell you what I presume.
I presume that if a person cannot observe an entity by any means or fashion … if a person can produce no evidence of this entity at all… and this same person claims that the entity exists and gives detailed information about it's habits and concerns with no explanation of how they received this information…then I presume that this person is not telling the truth

IF so ... what physical attributes do you consider love (parents, mate and friends) is shown by? Respect? Inner Strenght? Wisdom?
What physical attributes does this qualities has?
This is called "Throwing out the baby Jesus with the bath water."
You're so desperate to flim-fam about God that you change what God is. God stops being an entity and becomes a human emotion. What a joke.

OR you're pretending you didn't know ...
Anyway ... if that is how you feel, I cannot do anything to prove otherwise, can I?
It's funny how my feelings come into bear when it comes to the existence of God while they mean nothing about the existence of anything else.
If my dog moved his bowels on your lawn I might not want to believe it. Yet no matter how much emotion I might have invested in not wanting to believe the pile of dog shite would still be there. I would still see it, and smell it no matter how much I didn't want to.
If you cannot prove that God exists then the only honest and moral thing you can do is to never claim that he does.

So is Science which you worship so much, bub
I don't worship anything (now that Audrey Hepburn has passed away). But I do honor the truth.

You make scientifics models out of computer graphics, data and simulations, run experiments which half the time gives the desired results and other half throws more questions than answers and you assume that just because it is logical (by our own limited knowledge and intelligent), then it is true.
I sometimes wonder just how stupid Christians are? Every other conversation it's "limited intelligence" this and "limited knowledge" that. My intelligence is not that limited, I'm a pretty bright guy. My knowledge is pretty good to, and when you consider that part of this personal knowledge I have tells me how to access the knowledge of some of the greatest minds on Earth, then my available knowledge is vast.

But since I honor the truth, if I cannot prove something exists I will not claim that it exists. I won't pretend that I know something if I don't.
I will seek the actual answers to questions, and if these answers bring more questions with them I'l rejoice in the fact and seek the answers to them too. And I'll assume as little as possible.

Besides ... I was referring to the meaning of phases ... not the physical attributions which associated with the scenario of the movie.
I'm assuming that is a typo for "phrases." It is dialogue meant to sound mystical and spiritual to enhance the drama of the movie. Much the same as this order of baloney you are trying to serve us with your "know your negative emotions" nonsense. Spooky sounding meaningless balderdash used to misdirect and give the hustler an air of wonder.

"Hey are there any donuts in the coffee room?"
"Before you know if donuts exist you must first understand your own negative emotions. Because you do not see any jelly donuts you cannot know there are none!!! You cannot see the love of a new born baby for her sweet rosy cheeked mother or her happy rolly polly puppy!!!! So you cannot see the Krispy Kreams"

As dumb as this patter sounds about donuts it sounds even dumber when you try use it for your God. Because, in a pinch, I actually can get you as many donuts as you want while you cannot produce a single God.

Why don't you try knocking off the mumbo jumbo for a bit and start making only those claims that you can back up. You'll feel better about yourself.

Seraphim

Biff the unclean

And what? You'll have a bottle of snake oil for me to buy?

If it was not so pathetic ... I could actually laughed.

I presume that if a person cannot observe an entity by any means or fashion … if a person can produce no evidence of this entity at all… and this same person claims that the entity exists and gives detailed information about it's habits and concerns with no explanation of how they received this information…then I presume that this person is not telling the truth

Fine by me if that is what you like to assume.

This is called "Throwing out the baby Jesus with the bath water."
You're so desperate to flim-fam about God that you change what God is. God stops being an entity and becomes a human emotion. What a joke.

No ... this is called being arrogant is ...
You want to see God but you don't want to take the trouble to do so ...

It's funny how my feelings come into bear when it comes to the existence of God while they mean nothing about the existence of anything else.

It is even funnier than you consider yourself has no bearing in this matter since this is you I'm trying to prove to.

If you cannot prove that God exists then the only honest and moral thing you can do is to never claim that he does.

You forgot something ... HOW to proof to someone (except by talking) who is half across the world?

Only way I could think of is talking about it, including your emotions on the subject and you are already showing your side of emotions which is not needed.
Only moral thing I could think of doing now is leave you alone with your own thoughts ... when you finish running around, MAYBE then you will like to talk.

I sometimes wonder just how stupid Christians are? Every other conversation it's "limited intelligence" this and "limited knowledge" that. My intelligence is not that limited, I'm a pretty bright guy. My knowledge is pretty good to, and when you consider that part of this personal knowledge I have tells me how to access the knowledge of some of the greatest minds on Earth, then my available knowledge is vast.

Hmph ... how arrogant you are ...

You think having access to knowledge of the greatest minds on the Planet is enough to make you smart? Nope ... it just make you delusional.
You still have to go through the process of understanding it. Can you understand EACH and EVERY thing you had read, seen and talk about?

But since I honor the truth, if I cannot prove something exists I will not claim that it exists. I won't pretend that I know something if I don't.
I will seek the actual answers to questions, and if these answers bring more questions with them I'l rejoice in the fact and seek the answers to them too. And I'll assume as little as possible.

Good luck then ...

I'm assuming that is a typo for "phrases." It is dialogue meant to sound mystical and spiritual to enhance the drama of the movie. Much the same as this order of baloney you are trying to serve us with your "know your negative emotions" nonsense. Spooky sounding meaningless balderdash used to misdirect and give the hustler an air of wonder.

The thing is with negative emotion is that the more you indulge in it, bigger it grews till it overwhelms you.
Do you have to learn to hate before you can learn to love? It seems that in your case, you will find out ...

As dumb as this patter sounds about donuts it sounds even dumber when you try use it for your God. Because, in a pinch, I actually can get you as many donuts as you want while you cannot produce a single God.

Oh well ... good luck with your donuts ... hope it satisfying

Why don't you try knocking off the mumbo jumbo for a bit and start making only those claims that you can back up. You'll feel better about yourself

I don't need to make me feel good about myself. And I just realized that I don't have any morale obligations to make you feel good about yourself either.