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What if the document was very simple.
" I see very large American bombers" The simpler the document is the more likely it can be accidently plagiarized and very complex ideas can be emulated like Darwin theory of evolution when Alfred Wallace had almost stolen his thunder. But how complex does a document need to be for is it not possible to be accidently plagiarized " I see three very large American bombers" or " I see three very large American B29 bombers and I think we will lose the war" I cannot not find such a limit.

We also must consider the implications of the inflationary cosmos put forward by the Russian theoretical physicist Andre Linde an Alan Guth which due to such a universe's exponentially huge scale it cannot not rule out domains on the inflationary cosmos which are almost identical to out own, only differing by the of one electron in the shell of a single atom (of ink). So if there is another universe which is identical ours down to the position of one electron than two universes differing to the degree of whether nuclear bomb dropped Hiroshima or not would be very different by comparison which differs by the positions of far more than the positions of two electrons. The inflationary cosmos may well be so large that our Earth based mathematics may have a lot of difficulty estimating its true size


It reminds me a bit like those celebrity look alike contests. There may be someone who looks very much like George W Bush or Nicole Kidman, and they well be so similar they would be indistinguishable from each other and not even a mother can tell them apart even though they are not related or neither belongs to each others family tree. So it confuses the information processes in the mother's brain. With the inflationary cosmos there is a kind of cosmic look alike contest. Our brains are like the "mother" in the analogy I used, and some may be so much alike that the information processes in our brains think it is superposed as one entity. It is only when we make a choice we switch to one or the other.

I am emphasizing here again that information is boundaryless like atomic configurations into molecules is boundaryless property which is why our spectroscopes of earth pick up evidence of complex molecules, amino acids millions of light years away just like the sought we have here on earth.

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excreationist

Well there is reason to believe that people in Hiroshima could have written this - they are relying on the same piece of information that we are - that some bombers bombed Hiroshima.
So all of the relevant information was not destroyed - and the document was only guessed rather than reliably recovered.

Also, to get the full meaning of the document, the "I" has to be explained. Which person does it refer to? If the document has different authors, the "I" has a different meaning since they refer to different people.

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tronvillain

crocodile deathtroll:

While information may be "lost" when the medium in which it is realized is destroyed, nothing prevents it from being realized again. This may be extremely unlikely, as in your example, or it may not. As you point out, there is no limit, but the more complex the document the less likely it is that it will be accidentally plagarized. You can call information a "boundaryless property", but this is nothing more than saying it's an inherent possibility.

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crocodile deathroll

"Boundaryless property" or "inherent possibility" when we a dealing with information the two are pretty interchangeable
It also boils down the bit capacity. There is no inherent possibility for any amount of useful information to be stored on a single silicon atom or within a single nucleotide, and you cannot create a complex mosaic with only one tile. So matter provides the bit capacity for critical amount of information to be stored. So although information is immaterial it does have to coexist with a critical amount of matter It cannot be stored out there in a vacuum. It also is inherently possible to reconfigurate all the raw material in your hard disk drive so it can store far more bits of information that it can at the moment, but there still has to be a critical limit that too.
But that same raw material taken from the other side of the universe will still have the inherent possibility to store the same amount of information and configuration of it as well, which is why I also call it a "boundaryless property"

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tronvillain

Ah, well if that's all you mean then excreationist doesn't have much to argue against - it's a fairly unimpressive claim.