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Old 06-29-2003, 03:30 PM   #11
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Ah, the Cloak of Kandahar in Afghanistan.

Which would be fun to show to Shroud of Turin groupies.

Also, River will have a fun time arguing with Xtian apologists about whether Jesus Christ or Mohammed is better-documented.


Ah, yes the Cloak of Kandahar .....it is worn today......by the One-eyed AntiChrist.
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Mullah Omar is the Antichrist? He's the only person I know of to wear it in recent memory, but that was in 1996. Besides, he doesn't even begin to fulfill the Christian criteria for the job.

Or is he just the Antichrist of the one-eyed?
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Mullah Omar is the Antichrist? He's the only person I know of to wear it in recent memory, but that was in 1996. Besides, he doesn't even begin to fulfill the Christian criteria for the job.

Or is he just the Antichrist of the one-eyed?

No, he is not a antichrist. He is The AntiChrist. He declared himself Amirul-Momineen " Commander of the Faithful" amongst a crowd of thousands of cheering Afghans. This title has not been used by any muslim anywhere in the last 1,000 years. He declared himself the successor to Prophet Muhammad. And being , Afghani , he is most probably of Israelite origins and thus can not be the descendent of Prophet Muhammad as he declared. M-Omar has been shot at 31x by high velocity rifles and targetted for assassination by both the uS and Iran. He is the only man alive that wears the Cloak of Prophet Muhammad. He is Dajjal ( deceiver in arabic). He blew up Buddha statues which no one worshipped and said that he gives orders whenever he dreams ...and he said Allah came to him in a shape of a man...which is clearly against Islam. Today the Taliban is stronger than ever and M-Omar will be making a comeback. He is the most dangerous man alive and he fits the Islamic description of AntiChrist perfectly:

Selected Hadiths: [ Dajjal al- Masih/ Dark Messiah]

Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people , glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal saying, " I warn you against him ( i.e the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him . No doubt , Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed , and Allah is not one-eyed." [ Volume 4, Book 55, Number 533 Narrated by Ibn Umar]

" The Dajjal will emerge in a land in the east called Khurasan [Afghanistan/ Iran]....." [ Sahih, SM: 4072]



Not only this the Naqshbandi Sufi order, the largest Sufi order in the West has declared that Imam Mahdi ( symbolic Elijah) has already arrived and is waiting for permission from G-d . Then he will rise up, accept the leadership from the Iraqis and Syrians and quietly wait for the descent of Isa Masih ( Jesus Christ).
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[B]No, he is not a antichrist. He is The AntiChrist. He declared himself Amirul-Momineen " Commander of the Faithful" amongst a crowd of thousands of cheering Afghans. This title has not been used by any muslim anywhere in the last 1,000 years. He declared himself the successor to Prophet Muhammad. And being , Afghani , he is most probably of Israelite origins and thus can not be the descendent of Prophet Muhammad as he declared. M-Omar has been shot at 31x by high velocity rifles and targetted for assassination by both the uS and Iran. He is the only man alive that wears the Cloak of Prophet Muhammad. He is Dajjal ( deceiver in arabic). He blew up Buddha statues which no one worshipped and said that he gives orders whenever he dreams ...and he said Allah came to him in a shape of a man...which is clearly against Islam. Today the Taliban is stronger than ever and M-Omar will be making a comeback. He is the most dangerous man alive and he fits the Islamic description of AntiChrist perfectly:

Selected Hadiths: [ Dajjal al- Masih/ Dark Messiah]

Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people , glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal saying, " I warn you against him ( i.e the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him . No doubt , Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed , and Allah is not one-eyed." [ Volume 4, Book 55, Number 533 Narrated by Ibn Umar]

" The Dajjal will emerge in a land in the east called Khurasan [Afghanistan/ Iran]....." [ Sahih, SM: 4072]



Not only this the Naqshbandi Sufi order, the largest Sufi order in the West has declared that Imam Mahdi ( symbolic Elijah) has already arrived and is waiting for permission from G-d . Then he will rise up, accept the leadership from the Iraqis and Syrians and quietly wait for the descent of Isa Masih ( Jesus Christ).


This Ramadan is the Ramazan of the Double Eclipse 2003 {full solar and full lunar} and is the Sign of the Mahdi ( the Rightly Guided One) in the Hadiths.
http://www.islamicdigest.net/id5/article.php?sid=243

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Hi River,

If the Koran is what you claim it is, then why did Caliph Uthman produce anauthorized version of the Koran if it had been perfectly preserved from the beginning?

Why are there variants between different transmitted versions of the Koran such as the Hafs transmission and the Warsh transmission? Since there are copies of the Koran that have variant readings, how can there be perfect unity in the Koran?

If the Koran is truly eternal the uncreated word of God, why the need for changes (the doctrine of abrogation)? Why the contradiction between the 2 suras (2:106 and 10:64)? These suras state:1) affirmation of doctrine of abrogation; 2) “There can be no change in the words of God”.
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Today the Taliban is stronger than ever and M-Omar will be making a comeback. He is the most dangerous man alive and he fits the Islamic description of AntiChrist perfectly:
Hmm, I thought we overthrew the Taliban. And I'd say Osama Bin Laden is more dangerous - never even heard of M-Omar.

River, do you accept the Taliban and other Islamic terrorists mission to destroy the "enemy" as commanded in the Quran? You seem to be proud of the Taliban and the people it supports ( like Bin Laden). The Taliban isn't stronger than ever, it doesn't even exist anymore - unless we are talking about a different one.
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Wow, there are a few AntiChrist's out there, aren't there?
Mullah Omar, King Juan Carlos of Spain, George W. Bush...and I'm sure there are many more.

Also, why is it always "AntiChrist" and not AntiMohammed or AntiZarathushtra, etc?
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Ah, yes the Cloak of Kandahar .....it is worn today......by the One-eyed AntiChrist.
Just wondering if anyone else had the same first reaction I did on reading this ?
Like thinking Trojans ?
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Hmm, I thought we overthrew the Taliban. ... The Taliban isn't stronger than ever, it doesn't even exist anymore - unless we are talking about a different one.
I think you need to do some reading of post-war Afghanistan. The Taliban are returning. American fucked up - again.
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Hi River,

If the Koran is what you claim it is, then why did Caliph Uthman produce anauthorized version of the Koran if it had been perfectly preserved from the beginning?

Why are there variants between different transmitted versions of the Koran such as the Hafs transmission and the Warsh transmission? Since there are copies of the Koran that have variant readings, how can there be perfect unity in the Koran?

If the Koran is truly eternal the uncreated word of God, why the need for changes (the doctrine of abrogation)? Why the contradiction between the 2 suras (2:106 and 10:64)? These suras state:1) affirmation of doctrine of abrogation; 2) “There can be no change in the words of God”.

No, those were not variants. They were diacritacal marks that does not really alter the words. Early Qur'an might have had a different order but angel Gabriel told the Prophet the exact arrangement of the Suras. The text is essentially the same. No added letters , no missing letters.
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