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Grad Student Humanist · 03-24-2003, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by happyboy
but if it'll shove the modern, rational world into their backwards woman-hating lives, then hey, bring on the war.

I hope you're as gung-ho about it when these "backwards women haters" use bullets and bombs to shove their worldview down your throat.

Psycho Economist · 03-24-2003, 08:46 PM

I figure that for a lot of people, the two will only be marginally related. But I do think it is interesting to know how it shakes out (you do too, otherwise you wouldn't have voted).

Also, I can imagine some people for whom there would be a direct or collateral influence of one upon the other. For example, the church (an evangellical one) I grew up in is dominated by upper-middle class neoconservative Republicans, who tend to feel we must defend Israel at any cost as part of their god's master plan or something.

Ojuice5001 · 03-25-2003, 01:11 PM

Hard polytheist with a Rome-centered view, and I'm against the war.

My religion affects how I interpret the events of the war, but is not why I am against the war. However, the state of conflict with Iraq affected (I think) my attitude toward the non-Roman gods. I had only recently begun to believe in the Roman gods when names like bin Laden became household words. So it's not too much of a stretch to believe that this was an influence on my determination to end the rule of Yahweh and Allah.

Rusting Car Bumper · 03-25-2003, 02:32 PM

As usual the the question and the choices bias the results.

The poll maker should have used the term "war is justified" as opposed to "pro war".

Also does "anti war" mean "agaisnt all wars" or "against this one as it currently stands"?

Also the use to the term "religious" is vague as well.

DC

Ensign Steve · 03-25-2003, 04:14 PM

I didn't vote because my response would have been:

Atheist and apathetic about war.

Ensign Steve · 03-25-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by happyboy
happyboy, advocate of modern living and progress, enemy of backwards religions that cling to an outmoded dark age

Too bad our president doesn't hold your position on religion, happyboy.

Shake, were you ever an atheist in a foxhole? Someday I am going to compile a list. So far I have my dad, atheist-in-foxhole, and you.

Just one is enough to negate that stupid claim, but why stop there?

christ-on-a-stick · 03-25-2003, 04:25 PM

I am an atheist and against THIS war.

wade-w · 03-25-2003, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by JenniferD

Shake, were you ever an atheist in a foxhole? Someday I am going to compile a list. So far I have my dad, atheist-in-foxhole, and you. Just one is enough to negate that stupid claim, but why stop there?

I as an Atheist on a warship. Does that count?

hinduwoman · 03-25-2003, 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by happyboy
i'm not really happy with bombing a piss-poor middle eastern country into the dust, but if it'll shove the modern, rational world into their backwards woman-hating lives, then hey, bring on the war.

happyboy, advocate of modern living and progress, enemy of backwards religions that cling to an outmoded dark age

The problem with this is that Iraq is a secular modern country where women wear jeans and hold jobs. But since Bush is not bombing Iraq to bring it the uniquely american value of freedom, this does not matter.

Psycho Economist · 03-26-2003, 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by DigitalChicken
As usual the the question and the choices bias the results.

The poll maker should have used the term "war is justified" as opposed to "pro war".

Also does "anti war" mean "agaisnt all wars" or "against this one as it currently stands"?

Also the use to the term "religious" is vague as well.

Relax, it's not a trap. I'm interested in the conjunction of how people choose to identify themseslves. Any respondent is free to interpret the terms however they want and answer the question accordingly.

View Poll Results: What are your religious identification and stance on the war?
Atheist & Pro-war	16	18.82%
Evangellical / fundamentalist Christian & Pro-war	1	1.18%
Liberal / mainline Christian & Pro-war	1	1.18%
Not Christian, but religious & Pro-war	0	0%
Neither religious nor atheist & Pro-war	2	2.35%
Atheist & Anti-war	55	64.71%
Evangellica / fundamentalist Christian & Anti-war	1	1.18%
Liberal / mainline Christian & Anti-war	2	2.35%
Not Christian, but religious & Anti-war	5	5.88%
Neither religious nor atheist & Anti-war	2	2.35%
Voters: 85. You may not vote on this poll

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03-24-2003, 08:46 PM	#12
Psycho Economist Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 854	I figure that for a lot of people, the two will only be marginally related. But I do think it is interesting to know how it shakes out (you do too, otherwise you wouldn't have voted). Also, I can imagine some people for whom there would be a direct or collateral influence of one upon the other. For example, the church (an evangellical one) I grew up in is dominated by upper-middle class neoconservative Republicans, who tend to feel we must defend Israel at any cost as part of their god's master plan or something.

03-25-2003, 01:11 PM	#13
Ojuice5001 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A city in Florida that I love Posts: 3,416	Hard polytheist with a Rome-centered view, and I'm against the war. My religion affects how I interpret the events of the war, but is not why I am against the war. However, the state of conflict with Iraq affected (I think) my attitude toward the non-Roman gods. I had only recently begun to believe in the Roman gods when names like bin Laden became household words. So it's not too much of a stretch to believe that this was an influence on my determination to end the rule of Yahweh and Allah.

03-25-2003, 02:32 PM	#14
Rusting Car Bumper Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: U.S. Posts: 4,171	As usual the the question and the choices bias the results. The poll maker should have used the term "war is justified" as opposed to "pro war". Also does "anti war" mean "agaisnt all wars" or "against this one as it currently stands"? Also the use to the term "religious" is vague as well. DC

03-25-2003, 04:14 PM	#15
Ensign Steve Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Augusta, Georgia, United States Posts: 1,235	I didn't vote because my response would have been: Atheist and apathetic about war.

03-25-2003, 04:25 PM	#17
christ-on-a-stick Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Durango, Colorado Posts: 7,116	I am an atheist and against THIS war.

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