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02-20-2002, 06:56 AM | #11 |
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Here is another response (copy pasted) in reference to the word "fetus" from the homschoolers group I mentioned. > Hi everyone! I remember getting this quote from homeschoolers that the word > "fetus" was a latin word meaning "suckling". Kim R: 'Twas I who posted that fetus means suckling child. I remembered it from my Latin class of long ago. My notes, of course, are long since gone, so I looked the word up in the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (copyright 1970). This source says that fetus is derived from the Latin meaning pregnancy or giving birth. However, the footnote to which the definition refers the reader in the Appendix, expands that meaning to "to suck", "she who suckles", "pregnancy, childbearing, offspring", and "fruitful". There were a few more as well. The "art" of translation is not an exact "science" and much translation is dependent upon context and its time in history. It is clear from the definition in the dictionary (without consulting the footnote!) that fetus is definitely meant to refer to the live offspring of a viviparous (giving birth to living offspring who develop in the mother's body) mother. The implications of this for the abortion culture are shocking. In our pro-abortion culture, fetus is a convenient way of deflecting attention from the fact that a living human being is being killed. It was formerly used primarily in the medical profession, but I would caution you to use a medical dictionary with GREAT care. If you check a pre-1963 medical dictionary, you will find that conception was equated to fertilization. The IUD, and a previously held repugnance to abortion, required that the definition be changed. Now conception is equated to implantation, something that occurs 2 weeks after fertilization. I have had more than one doctor tell me that a fertilized, un-implanted egg is not a conceptus. I hope this helps. Mary Hud P.S (this is from Paradisedreams2) I don't get involved with these type issues so anything she has spoken doesn't nessessarily mean I support it or go against it. I'm just on the list because I'm homeschooling (rather unschooling my child) and because PA has the toughest laws in this area I chose to educate myself through this group who knows the laws. Thus different groups, beliefs, unbeliefs, etc. are represented but I don't want to get pulled into the "pro vs. anti" issue. Just a "copy paste" ok |
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looked the word up in the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (copyright 1970). This source says that fetus is derived from the Latin meaning pregnancy or giving birth. ================================================= So as the first definition, "pregnancy" is the word most commonly associated with "fetus". When you start quoting homeschoolers, I am skeptical. These are people who are teaching that this country is historically a christian country and that evolution is "only a theory".Not big thinkers. ================================================= In our pro-abortion culture, fetus is a convenient way of deflecting attention from the fact that a living human being is being killed. ================================================= Actually what is shocking is the complete callousness exhibited by right-to-birthers who shrug off the facts of life and death in the Third World and have to have their arms twisted by women's groups to get even the smallest concession for poor women on welfare in the US. The good christians of Michigan had no interest in giving poor women a chance at higher education until women's groups like NOW lobbied for it. Look at the number of people without medical insurance in this country and tell me about christian charity. Abortion was made legal to stop the illegal butchers who preyed on women's desperation. Get off your self-righteous soapbox and out of your homeschooled cocoon and try to deal with the reality the rest of us face. |
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This is probably off the topic, but not really much of a veer. It's a little something I picked up on several years ago and have used on occasion to irratate fundies. I offer it here mainly just to have something to say.
The Hebrew words that were translated as "breathe," "breath," and "soul" in Genesis all come from the same root; therefore, a soul is a living creature and any animal can be said to be a soul. So, any creature cannot be said to be alive, since life begins with the first breath and ends with the last. I checked this out with a Ph.D. who specializes in Old Testament, and witha rabbi. Both told me these were acceptable interpretations. I came up with this years ago so I would not be able to give specific sources. I would, however, cite "Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Of The Bible" which contains Hebrew and Greek dictionaries. Much can be learned by looking up the meanings of certain terms in the earlier texts. |
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Thanks for the help. I've got another one. Something to the effect of; You have the earth, you can do what you want with it. But don't touch to my stars.
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From what I understand (don't quote me on this) I just learned that the word "fetus" is a latin word for suckling baby (if I got that right). You can check up on it. But I do believe the word they use for "fetus" is used incorrectly according to its proper place as to what it actually means. I heard it on a homeschoolers e-mail group and these people are pretty sharp, so I can almost say with 99% accuracy that they may be correct. If you find out differently please let me know.
I ate a Mars Bar today. Does that mean I ate a planet, or the god of war, or what? I'm just glad I didn't eat a Baby Ruth or a Three Musketeers! What a word "actually" means is determined by what it means at the time it is used. Today, "fetus" does not mean "suckling baby," no matter what the original meaning was. We tend to use the word "infant" for that. The English language (and other languages) is full of words that have an "actual" meaning that is not the same as the original meaning. If we attributed the original meaning to all these words, we'd have a hard time communicating wouldn't we? |
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twist,twist,twist
there you go, now it means what I want it to [ February 20, 2002: Message edited by: butswana ]</p> |
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Another excellent example, that's aquired an (additional) meaning in the last few decades, is of course "gay." It's gone so far that the word is harldy used in its old usage at all, because the new usage is so prevalent. If someone tells you "I'm gay," you must admit that the first thing that pops into your mind is not "I wonder why he's so happy?"
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Did you NOT read my P.S????????????? I look to them about "laws" for homeschooling only, I just so "happen" to be listening in on a definition of this particular word and dropped it off here not being 99% accurate as to its validity. I could care less if they believe what they believe or what they believe in for the reasons they believe in them it makes no difference to me unless they are hurting "me". Free thinkng and freedom of speech. Simple... I saw a definition and thought it might be useful but if you want to argue over "their" beliefs thats not relevant to me. Your quoting THEM not me so lets not dispute the things not applicable to this conversation. They know "homeschool law" thats all I draw from them. Abortion was made legal to stop the illegal butchers who preyed on women's desperation. Get off your self-righteous soapbox and out of your homeschooled cocoon and try to deal with the reality the rest of us face. The reality sweety is I chose to do whatever the hell I want (live with it) I have chosen to homeschool to give my child the opportunity to develope a BRAIN so that she can learn how to think for herself and not be taught "how" to think like idiots like you who do not even know what a soap box really is. Anyone who knows anything about homeschooling unlike yourself (probrobly graduated from public school yourself) is its anything BUT a sheltered life. But I'm supposing your ignorance in this area has provoked you to make a statement against something you don't understand. (Now quick! Run to a homeschool board and pick something weird then plant it here as a blanket statement) Self righteous? Justify that statement... what laws have I invoked against you or anyone? Who have I put down in order to elevate myself in any moral regard? What is the defintion of self righteousness to YOU and how can you apply that to me. You are calling me self righteous yet you display the very attributes of that quality. Look at yourself. [ February 20, 2002: Message edited by: Paradisedreams2 ]</p> |
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What a word "actually" means is determined by what it means at the time it is used. Today, "fetus" does not mean "suckling baby," no matter what the original meaning was. We tend to use the word "infant" for that.
I agree... if your using it for an argument or to establish a law I think you better know what it "means" before putting that particular word in (it has potential to cause problems down the line) even though we currently understand the word to be what its most "commonly" used for. I get that |
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Another excellent example, that's aquired an (additional) meaning in the last few decades, is of course "gay." It's gone so far that the word is harldy used in its old usage at all, because the new usage is so prevalent. If someone tells you "I'm gay," you must admit that the first thing that pops into your mind is not "I wonder why he's so happy?"
I DO agree with that. lol! |
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