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Old 06-09-2003, 11:34 AM   #41
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Nature follows scientific laws, not logic.
Yes, logic does follow scientific laws.
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Exactly, I'm not arguing every idea I think up is concrete, I'm arguing everything "concrete" that we are able to know right now is not everything that can possibly be known, and everything we are capable of knowing, is not even everything that could possibly be known, and even everything we know now, is not the whole story to what we originally find as concrete.
Fallacy.
Argumentum ad ignorantiam
Argumentum ad ignorantiam means "argument from ignorance." The fallacy occurs when it's argued that something must be true, simply because it hasn't been proved false.
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Fallacy.
Argumentum ad ignorantiam
Argumentum ad ignorantiam means "argument from ignorance." The fallacy occurs when it's argued that something must be true, simply because it hasn't been proved false.
What exactly am I claiming must be true?
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Because I believe it's REASONABLE to think humans can't know everything that is KNOWABLE.
So therefore, it is reasonable to believe in the existence of something with no evidence of it's existence?
That is unreasonable.
Also, see fallacy remarks above.
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So therefore, it is reasonable to believe in the existence of something with no evidence of it's existence?
That is unreasonable.
Also, see fallacy remarks above.


I believe it's reasonable to think that humans can't know everything that's knowable. Nowhere did I assert believe of something that lacks evidence, except for things being "unknowable" to humans, which you either believe or you don't.
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What exactly am I claiming must be true?
That something exists concretely outside of science.
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I believe it's reasonable to think that humans can't know everything that's knowable.
And I agree.
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Nowhere did I assert believe of something that lacks evidence, except for things being "unknowable" to humans, which you either believe or you don't. [/B]
You most certainly assert belief in something that lacks evidence WHEN you mentioned things existing "unknowable" to humans. Which you can believe or not, reasonably or unreasonably.
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You most certainly assert belief in something that lacks evidence WHEN you mentioned things existing "unknowable" to humans. Which you can believe or not, reasonably or unreasonably.
Are you refering to the other dimension comment?

That was merely a possibility, I never asserted belief in those things.
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You can't "feel" or "touch" or smell, hear, see, taste: logic, language, poetry, politics, "evil", "love", etc. etc. etc. etc.

Prove them with mathematics. Prove them with anything, give me some neurology that explains the areas of the brain in use for each of these things, that doesn't prove their existence, because they don't even physically exist at ALL.
As I've said for the millionth time, these all come from your brain.
From encarta.msn.com (search for "brain"):

The brain makes us conscious, emotional, and intelligent. Broca's area, a part of the cortex related to speech, is located in the frontal lobe. Wernicke's area, a part of the cortex related to the understanding of language, is located in the temporal lobe. Many other areas of the cerebral cortex have also been mapped according to their specific functions, such as vision, hearing, speech, emotions, language, and other aspects of perceiving, thinking, and remembering. Cortical regions known as associative cortex are responsible for integrating multiple inputs, processing the information, and carrying out complex responses.
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Are you refering to the other dimension comment?

That was merely a possibility, I never asserted belief in those things.
Good for you. Because, it would be unreasonable to believe in them.
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