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Old 04-29-2003, 09:57 PM   #21
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I've already posted many times about how Christianity is about unearned guilt and shame and made me feel horrible & suicidal.

SO is Jesus a good guy? Check this out:

"What did Jesus teach and preach? Looking at how those who proclaimed to be his followers have acted over the centuries one might suspect that the teacher was himself full of hate. And that is exactly right. Does it surprise anyone that the New Testament's Jesus advocates persecution of those who do not follow him? The Gospels speak for themselves. In particular, it is the Jewish people who are singled out for attack.

"It was to the Jewish people that the Gospel's Jesus presented himself and it was they who rejected his hypocrisy, arrogance and false claims. As a result, it was those "unbelieving" Jews who he condemned and ordered his followers to murder (Luke 19:27). For the Gospel's Jesus, the dictum, "Love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you" (Matthew 5:44), did not rule out the oppression and slaughter of those who did not accept him. Jesus' supposed prayer, "Father forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing" (Luke 23:34a), an interpolation not found in the earliest manuscripts of Luke, is carefully crafted to exonerate the soldiers who physically affixed him to the cross. The Jews remain unforgiven. The claim of a gentle Jesus, meek and mild, is simply not true.

"The Jesus of the Gospel of Matthew says, "learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart" (Matthew 11:29). In compliance, many of his followers, throughout the centuries, have hypocritically perpetrated a façade of pseudo- piety declaring the "Christ-like" gentleness and humility of some of the most loathsome haters of Jews. They have learned well for Jesus, "gentle and humble in heart," was one who viciously called for the death of all who did not believe in him. Indeed, it has led to the slaughter of Christians deemed heretics by other Christians as well as millions of others who would not accept the "peace Christ has to offer."

"If Christianity is judged solely on the person of Jesus, as the Gospels depict him, the result is a negative one. One does not have to point to the horrible persecutions perpetrated over the centuries in the name of Jesus, but only to what is taught by the Gospel's Jesus.

"Jesus is recorded as forgiving the sins of those who sinned against others (Matthew 9:2, Mark 2:5, John 8:11); he is even supposed to have told God to forgive (Luke 23:34), but, he himself forgave no one who disagreed with him (Luke 19:27) or did anything against him (Matthew 26:24). Jesus did not live by his own precept that you must love your enemies and pray for them that persecute you (Matthew 11:20-24). He taught others to "turn the other cheek" (Matthew 5:39, Luke 6:29) but did not heed his own teaching (John 18:22-23).

"The New Testament Jesus did not love or pray for his Jewish adversaries in any interaction with them. Those who disagreed with him were vilified, called unrepentant sinners, and condemned.

"The Gospels' Jesus condemns the entire Jewish people, not for what may be classified as their own sins, but for the shedding of all righteous blood throughout history (Matthew 23:35, Luke11:50-51). The Gospels' Jesus irrationally denounced the entire Jewish people for murders neither they nor their fathers committed. He holds them liable for sins they could have had no part in because they were committed even before the birth of Abraham, the progenitor of the nation of Israel.


"John's Jesus is portrayed as though he is no longer a member of the Jewish people. He willfully disassociates himself from the Jews (John 8:17, 10:34).

"Moreover, Jesus identifies the Jews as being the children of the devil; they want to carry out the desires of their father and so are murderers and liars (John 8:44).

"The students have learned their lessons well. Unfortunately, the teacher's message includes a great deal that is evil. Often, Jesus' pronouncements are nothing more than seedbeds for future destructive accusations and mayhem (Matthew 10:34, Luke 12:51). The religious context in which they are taught only provides moral justification to the immoral. The students are who they are. How they interpret and carry out or ignore their teacher's dictums may be debated, but what their teacher taught plain and simple tells us about the teacher.

"Yes, it's about Jesus, the Jesus of the New Testament. It's about what he actually taught. What was good was not new and what was new was not good.

"Yes, it's about Jesus and it's not good."
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Old 04-30-2003, 05:44 PM   #22
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I don't know of any studies to back up either side of this argument, but most people in this country are theists and most people are fairly happy and around half of them have higher than average self-esteem so I don't think there's a lot to back up the idea that theism causes self-esteem other than a few personal stories (no offense mike).
 
 

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