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05-19-2001, 07:59 PM

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Eudaimonia:
Dr. Wu, perhaps you fail to understand us.

In what sense is the founder of a spiritual path the founder of a religion? This may not be as direct a connection as it may appear. Perhaps we should regard Paul, not Jesus, as the true founder of the Christian religion, since Paul seemed to be more concerned with developing religious institutions.

But even if Jesus existed, wasn't he supposed to have started his Church with Peter? These words may have simply been put in his mouth by later Christians seeking divine justification for their Church, but if Jesus had existed and had actually established a Church, then perhaps this is one founder of a religion who was concerned with "external" things such as doctrines and institutions.</font>

If the ones who had the visions did not appear to transmit their 'teachings' then there would be no 'religions'. Again do not confuse the Way with the institutional religion that followed..they are usually at cross purposes.

namaste,

05-19-2001, 08:03 PM

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Eudaimonia:
Only the self can heal the self, but that doesn't mean others can't show us the door.</font>

Exactly....

'Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise, instead seek what they sought.'
basho

'Teachers may show you the door but you must enter on your own.' zen saying....

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