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Old 03-12-2002, 09:15 PM   #1
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It appears the randman deluge has subsided. He has gone back to his home board because he couldn't handle our requirements for honest debates. He was really frustrated that he wasn’t going to be allowed to begin new topics unless he addressed issues with his old ones. As such we are left with many questions left unanswered by randman. Let’s collect them (in brief format please) in this thread for posterity.

Unanswered challenges:

Identify a creationist who’s an evolutionary biologist. (I don’t even think he knew what an evolutionary biologist was.)

Identify the mechanism that maintains immutable kinds.

Answer various questions pertaining to kinds in actual biology.

Explain his premiere contradiction: he trumpets that species-species transitions are not recorded in the fossil record, yet argues that speciation/variation within a kind is.


Anyothers?
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Old 03-13-2002, 12:25 AM   #2
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I think I once challenged him on biogeography, but I'm not sure.

But I have a better memory of challenging him on why he deduces only one creator instead of several.
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Old 03-13-2002, 07:23 AM   #3
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Unanswered challenges:

Identify a creationist who’s an evolutionary biologist. (I don’t even think he knew what an evolutionary biologist was.)
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Why would your average joe, lay person know this automatically? Can you just look it up in a dictionary? Is it somebody with a degree in actual evolutionary biology, someone who studies present processes of "evolution" or past processes of evolution? If you study aids, disease, antibiotic-resistant bacteria, etc., do you qualify?
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[b]Identify the mechanism that maintains immutable kinds.
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Most lay creationists don't know!
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Answer various questions pertaining to kinds in actual biology.
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see above
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Explain his premiere contradiction: he trumpets that species-species transitions are not recorded in the fossil record, yet argues that speciation/variation within a kind is.
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simply a troll. only knows the basic understanding of things and expects to communicate his thoughts on a higher level and fails miserably. should stick to discussions after church.

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Old 03-13-2002, 08:03 AM   #4
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ex-robot,

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Why would your average joe, lay person know this automatically?
I beleive you are not familiar with the exchange. I pointed out that there were no creationist evolutionary biologists. Randman replied and claimed that there were. I just had to "open my eyes." However, he was unable to provide a single scientist. The only name he provided was from an DI developmental biologist.

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Is it somebody with a degree in actual evolutionary biology, someone who studies present processes of "evolution" or past processes of evolution?
I would say that either of those would qualify.

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Most lay creationists don't know!
I gave him to option of consulting the "experts." If he is coming here, challenging scientists and educated laypeople, then he better be up to the challenge of intellectual debate. I and others have asked this question many times and have not received an answer.

He argued that kinds exists and thus evolution is false. So I put the concept to critical review, applying it to actual biology to determine its usefulness. I found none.

FYI: The "kind" thread is <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=000367" target="_blank">here</a>

-RvFvS
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I gave him to option of consulting the "experts." If he is coming here, challenging scientists and educated laypeople, then he better be up to the challenge of intellectual debate. I and others have asked this question many times and have not received an answer.
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I doubt he has access to experts, but I agree he is not up to the challenge.
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He argued that kinds exists and thus evolution is false. So I put the concept to critical review, applying it to actual biology to determine its usefulness. I found none.

FYI: The "kind" thread is <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=000367" target="_blank">here</a>

-RvFvS</strong>
Thanks. You will probably never find one from any online creationist. Randman gets my vote for troll of the year. He basically took over this forum by basically spewing the typical stuff.

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Old 03-20-2002, 08:37 PM   #6
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[code]
// watcher.cpp

#include "troll.h" // declares tlSpot, tlWait, tlBump

int main(void)
{
while(tlSpot("Randman") != true)
tlWait(1000);
tlBump();
return 0;
}
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