Jayhawker Soule

Which one of these 300 do you find most compelling and best substantiated?

theophilus

Well, that's just poor scholarship on your part, isn't it? Those events were not done to elicit faith. They were done in context of a prior existing redemptive relationship.

theophilus

They are all equally compelling and substantiated since they all occur within a redemptive context and serve a unique puropse. Their substantiation rests on their revelation, not on external confirmation.

eowynn

I have to wonder why a god wouldn't want to reveal himself/herself to his/her children. What if a god did make Baloo's calculator say the same number that a theist gave him? I think it would certainly convince a number of people. I, myself, would have to wonder... It seems that any god would want her/his children to believe in herself/himself. Why, then, does a god not prove that he/she exists, except by saying we should believe in a 2000 year old (or thereabouts) book? It seems that by lack of proof, a god is shooting himself/herself in the foot. Why not just convince everyone, with some kind of show of being? It just doesn't make sense...

Vorkosigan

ROTFL. Theo, there is not a single confirmed OT prophecy of Jesus. Explain why the Jews did not convert. Do you think they don't know their own sacred scriptures?

Tell you what, please post the seven (7) prophecies you think are the most closely confirmed by Jesus.

Michael

[ February 04, 2002: Message edited by: turtonm ]</p>

Pantera

So the "32 digit number" was just something you pulled out of the air then?

theophilus

Sorry, I don't know the ROTFL abbr.

As to why the Jews didn't believe, try reading the Gospels.
Some Jews did believe, Peter and Paul being the notable examples. Each of them found voluminous OT support for Jesus. Try reading Peter's sermon on Pentecost, Acts 2.
I did not argue the prophetic fullfilment as an apologetic, I eschew such argument. I simply made the point that a "sincere" seeker ought to expend the intellectual effort to assess these claims before issuing silly challenges about 32 digit numbers.

theophilus

If you're speaking metaphysically, I don't think you can pull a digit of any size "out of the air."
As to my purpose in raising this issue, please see my post just above to Turtonm.

theophilus

This is so tedious.
You don't know what a god would or wouldn't do. You only know what you "think" you would do if you were god, but you're not. So, your statements about what it "seems" that God would do are worthless.
Your comment about a 2000 year old book is fallacious. The age or lack thereof has nothing to do with the truthfullness of a proposition. Have you "rediscovered" the axioms of geometry?

You people post here as if these issues had never been dealt with. It just proves that you really aren't interested in the truth, just justifying your unbelief.

TollHouse

Ahhh Theo,

Oh, okay, gotcha. Jesus don't perform tricks or miracles to make people believe in Him...

...oh wait, you mean Jesus does perform tricks? Well shit, Theo, which is it?

In case you don't see the contradiction in your own post: you claim Jesus doesn't do tricks to incite belief yet your belief in Jesus is dependent upon the tricks he performed according to your legendary New Testament.