Corwin

Particularly since aside from the offensive incestuous implications, I have no smegma to begin with.

In the meantime go drink. Or whatever.

Read when you get a chance.

Dr Rick

Burdened defending some of the dumbest falsehoods you've ever produced on these fora, you demonstrate a lack of both wisdom and integrity in continuing to make deceitful and hypocritical posts. I have noted that the overall benefits of circumcision are small, I've never overstated them, and the breastmilk and preference arguments are just more strawmen.

All of your posts, links, and strawmen on this thread fail to support any of your lies; some of the links you posted do just the opposite; they refute your false assertions while revealing your hypocrisy.

The WebMD link is such an example; it's a good link which presents an informative, balanced, scientific view on circumcision, but it does not have any of the objective studies you promised to support your false claims. It provides both pro and con arguments, presents both the risks and benefits of circumcision, and provides viginettes of couples contemplating the decision. The site neither recommends nor condemns circumcision, and it is not the anti-circ site you imply that it is in your post.

Perhaps worst of all, you're hypocritical; you condemn as immoral those that point-out the health benefits to circumcision as you link to a site that does just that.

The other links lend no credence to your lies, either. One is to a urology site; it's scientifically factual but has no scientific studies to support the false assertions you were challenged on previously. A few of the others do have some scientific studies, but these studies do not support any of your wild claims such as a three-fold increase in sexual dysfunction due to circumcision or equivalency of benefits with mere bathing.

Some of the links offer the same opinions as you, sometimes supported by passionate testimonials, but testimonials, even passionate ones, are not scientific evidence; it is foolish to try to palm them-off as such.

<strong> This is one of the stupidest lies you've posted; I've provided more information, background or otherwise, than anyone on this thread by far. Facts don't force a question of ethics; facts are objective. What you do with those facts may be a moral issue, but acknowledging them is not.

<strong> More of your lies and hypocrisy all the way around. I stated in this thread that there are risks and benefits to circumcision. I also responded to a request on this thread for an objective analysis with 4 evaluations, including one that concluded that circumcision was not justified, and I included my personal criticisms of all four. My posts have been weighted towards arguing the benefits because so many of the other posts have denied that there are any. Were it the other way with most posts arguing that there are no risks, I would have balanced against those with arguments that there are. That is what I have tried to achieve on this thread and you have so irrationally and ignorantly fought: balance.

I'm glad that you cannot identify with my ethics; it would be offensive if you tried to attribute your deceitful and hypocritical values to me.

Rick

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Corwin

Well... I guess I've changed my mind.

I don't respect your opinion on other areas anymore.

You accuse me of lying, you accuse me of not posting any sort of scientific data, (those who click on the links will see the studies in question, such as references and links to studies done by the American Academy of Pediatrics, among others...) and you're just generally being an ass. You're proof that doctors in general don't like to be told they're wrong, and frequently get downright testy when it happens.

If the only way you can prove your point is to slander me and hope that people don't actually look at the information I posted, you've done a much better job of disproving your own argument than anybody else could.

I'm done. I've posted information clearly proving that the benefits you claim are at best minimal, and definitely not worth the long term detriment of circumcision. In addition, your blatant disregard of someone's right to make a decision about their own bodies, and your lack of concern when that right is taken away, makes me very glad you aren't my doctor. In short, your bedside manner sucks ass and your view of your patients.... let's just say it needs work. A lot of work.

Jeremy Pallant

I think this discussion has gone about as far as it's going to. I am going to close this thread. If you want it re-opened, appeal to one of the other moderators.