Christian

Lobstrocity,

Rape is not legally sanctioned in the Mosaic laws discussed on this thread. It is being punished. Punishing an act is in entirely the opposite direction than sanctioning it.

The right to a defense against being rejected and ruined by her husband.

Do all rights necessarily involve making a decision? I have the right to life, but I don't remember making the decision to live today.

And if pigs had wings they could fly. The law in question is furthering the rights of women, not of goats.

You'll have to be a bit more specific as to what you find absurd about my notions. Unsupported sweeping generalizations are not compelling to me.

Respectfully,

Christian

Old Man

Neither could the Canaanite fertility worshipper understand why God ordained his destruction.

openeyes

Old Man, I wonder about your upbringing. Were there some women who really did you wrong to have you spew such trash as the preceding quotes?

I really fail to see how such an attitude is helpful to anyone, including yourself. I'm glad you're an ocean away.

Lobstrosity

Are you daft? What's wrong with your sense of reasoning. Why does everything have to be spoon-fed to you? The punishment for rape is marriage. Well, bright guy, what if some guy wanted to marry this woman but she wasn't interested. He would actually be rewarded for raping her. The law sanctions rape by simply tacking on a consequence that is far from bad. First of all, he only has to marry her if they're caught together, otherwise the act is A-OK and he gets off scot-free. Second of all, maybe he's not opposed to marrying her. This consequence is hardly a punishment. A punishment would be a fine, imprisonment, torture...you know, something the criminal would actually be guaranteed to dislike. A punishment would not put any constraints on the woman. Is that such a hard concept to grasp?

Wow, nice dodge. Here I thought it was clear we were talking about the rape scenario and you just flip back to the virginity thing.

Umm, yeah, if you have the right to life it means that it is not legal for someone to take your life from you. Furthermore, you can take your own life whenever you choose. It is your right--how do you not understand what this word means? You make the decisions over whether you live or die. So, back to the question at hand: so when a woman is raped by a man and the man is forced to marry her the woman has a right to... to what? A "right" to be married? What if she chooses to wave that right...it is her right after all? Oh, wait, you mean she can't choose not to be married? Hmmm, so the general gist of it would be that she doesn't gain any rights at all. She is an inanimate object in the whole proceeding, and inanimate objects do not have rights. That was what my allusion to goats was in reference to, but I see that went over your head.

Luiseach

What a load of vitriolic rubbish.

Lobstrosity

See, God's basically just a jackass. I'm glad we agree.

Bill Snedden

Absolutely! Because the best way to punish a rapist is to give him his victim so that his future crimes against her can continue unobstructed.

Your claim that such a monstrous injustice actually furthers the woman's rights would be risible if it weren't so obscene. We're actually supposed to accept that delivering a woman to a tormentor who brutally took something from her that would have been considered, especially in the ancient world, as one of the most significant parts of her humanity is punishment for him? I suppose that her feelings on the matter are beside the point?

I have 1000 times more respect for Christians who simply admit that they don't understand why these things are as they appear to be, or those who simply 'fess up and state that the Bible, while qualitatively inspired, is simply not literally inerrant, than those who prattle inanities in a vain effort to stem the tide of reason that threatens their bankrupt worldviews.

Regards,

Bill Snedden

doc58

Christian,
You said, "If you want to speculate about how you think you could have done things better than God, then that's your perogative. "

My point is not that I can make better laws than God but that the law is so stupid and immoral with easily conceivable solutions that are better that those laws could not possibly have been made by an omnimax God. If there is a good God, it is highly insulting and immoral to attribute such laws to Him.

Concerning the 75/25 stat- That sounds about right.
Would you be comfortable if 25% of people executed were innocent?

Spaz

hahaha, are you serious? I admit ultra-feminists that complain about stupid shit and say that the shape of missiles and the washington monument are examples of males showing off is annoying, but women deserve rights as do anyone. Damn that was funny old man.
:banghead:

Edwin

Now you have put the mental image into my head of a priest sacrificing a goat and the congregation not concentrating on the ceremony because they are staring at his malformed testicles.

I curse my imagination.