judge

Jesus returned in glory in 70 a.d., just as He said He would. Many people beleive this (myself included).
Do a google search on preterist or preterism to find out more

Peter Kirby

What was the point of that?

best,
Peter Kirby

EstherRose

Hi winstonjen,

The generation referred to is the generation that witnesses the signs of the end of the age.


Matthew 24
3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"
4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[1] ' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,'[2] spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand-- 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.
26"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[3]
30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
32"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[4] is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation[5] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

EstherRose

Hi judge,

Please explain. I am curious.

judge

Hi Peter.
I'm not sure if I understand your question?

EstherRose....juston my way to work. If I get a moment today I'll have a go at your question

judge

Sure.
Jesus told the high priest (in one of the gospels) that the high priest would "see" the son of man coming on clouds of glory.
The high priest lived in the first century.

Jesus came on "clouds of glory" around 70 a.d. in connection with the destruction of Jerusalem.

By the mid second century (possibly earlier) some began to question if the parousia had not been delayed...Justin Martyr it appears in an attempt to defend the faith ...shepherd of Hermas, etc....
The end result is the tremendous confusion that continues today about something that is clearly and plainly stated.

I believe the generation of 30 to 70 a.d. saw all the signs.
The gospel was preached to the known world. Paul tells us in colossians (?) that the gospel had then been preached to the whole world.
The phrase "the whole world " is used elsewhere to describe the known world ...se the beginning of Luke in regard to the census.


Hope this helps

Magus55

judge - this verse:


Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

means that even though the High priest is judging Jesus now, eventually - it will be Jesus, sitting at the right hand of God - judging the High priest. It is not referring to that moment, because Jesus never judged the High priest that judged Him yet.

judge

Hmmm.... I'd have to disagree. The quote is from daniel and there it seems to refer to the glorious coming of "He whose right it is" , :notworthy

EstherRose

Judge, I don’t get the same meaning as you do. From this passage, the priests asked Jesus if He is the Son of God, the prophesized Messiah. Jesus responded by 2 quotes from the Old Testament that indeed He is the Messiah. The priests clearly understood that He meant that because they accuse Him of blasphemy.

judge

Hi again...hmmm....you may be right. I tend to see Jesus also telling the priest he will live to see the coming on the clouds. I mean Jesus sems to admit to being the messiah and then go on to tell the guy he will see the coming of the kingdom as well.

But suppose it could be argued he did not intend this.

I suppose I see it this way because I have come to beleive our Lord came in glory in 70 a.d. for other reasons as well.
To me the whole NT is written with an eager expectation that Jesus was about come in glory very soon, and that this did in fact happen, but that around 150 a.d. this became misunderstood and that the confusion remains to this day.