rdalin

Yes there can. First, you keep talking about 'essence' and refuse to define just what that is. Either say what you're talking about or I'll conclude that it's meaningless.

Second, nothing about me preceded my existence. So, there's an argument.

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Since in homosexuals the gender identity is not the same as their sexual identity and they did not chose their own gender identity because they cannot change it, which which I fully agree, it must have been their parents who instilled this upon them. Simple and that cannot be an argument either because they created us that way. In other words, if we can't help it because we are created that way, those who created us must be responsible.

This says that if I'm a homosexual then my parents are responsible. I say this is nonsense. There's no proof of it whatsoever; you're merely making an unfounded and ungrounded assertion.

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The free will argument exists only because freedom of mind is possible or we would have no knowledge thereoff. With the eye of our soul we sight of that eternal freedom and are therefore in pursuit of freedom.

Once again you're babbling. What does this mean (if anything) in English?

Amos

No, if opposites attract as a woman in both mind and body you should be attracted to a man.

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Gender identity cannot be chosen. I disagree. What you see yourself as (either male or female) can be different than what your actual physical parts are. I have several transgendered friends who feel they were born in the wrong bodies and live as the sex opposite of that which they were born into.

Our gender identity is our mind and our sex identity is our body. If we could chose our gender identity we would chose one to match our body. It is because we cannot chose it that some of us feel that we are born in the wrong body.

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Those who created us were responsible for these deviances. Well, didn't God create us? Isn't He responsible?

Yes, but God created us male and female (androgyne) with the potential to become either male or female and this depends on the humanity of man wherein we are either male or female as co-creators with God. It makes our sexual-ity a delicate illusion.

Amos

If you don't know what essence is I must wonder if you are not a trol.

If nothing preceded your existence you must be mindless. Lets, just say that if we are not responsible and our parents are not responsible it is evolution that didit.

rdalin

Okay, so you can't define essence. I didn't think so. Strangely enough, Amos, the fact that you're using meaningless terms and I call you on it doesn't make me a troll.

I said 'nothing about me' preceded my existence; you left those two little words out. What's the matter - are you so unable to formulate a coherent position that you're limited to misquoting others?

You said our parents are responsible, not me. You evidently can't keep your story straight from post to post.

Richard

Amos

If I write that the essence of our sexuality is not always in harmony with the identity of our sex the obvious conclusion is that our sexuality is not created by our sex because if it was homosexuality would not be possible. Do you agree?

So therefore, our sexuality is independant of our sex and this makes homosexuality possible. Do you agree?

If we did not create our sexuality (because we cannot/should not change it) but are our parents' children would it not be fair to say that our parents are responsible for our sexuality?

If you tell me not that 'they are not' and 'we are not' but we cannot change it nonetheless it must be blamed on evolution.

Sorry I forgot, most of your subconscious mind is incarnate from your parents and only your conscious mind was a blank slate at birth.

rdalin

Okay, our sexuality (read as: sexual orientation) is independent of our sex (male/female). So?

Our parents are responsible for our sexuality in the same sense that they are responsible for our entire genome. Again, so?

Amos

So that means that essence is independent of existence.

So that means that essence precedes existence and if homosexuals are not responsible for their own sexuality the parents are. Was that so difficult to understand?

So Richard, I can drag a lot more out of you but that would take a lot of time. Don't you think? In fact, I forgot already what this was all about.

rdalin

Why does that mean that essence (which you still haven't defined) is independent of existence? Stop saying it, Amos, and tell me why. If you can.

Richard

Scottyman

Hmmm..... defend the Catholic Church, how absurd. After all, they brought us the Spanish Inquisition, defended the Nazis, hidden the pedophiles and have been complicit in the persecution of millions of innocent people around the globe for many hundreds of years. Their leaders go around in glamorous outfits and live in opulent estates and travel in limousines while there is massive worldwide poverty. They have secret meetings where they declare that there are omnipotent spirits that control humanity and have chants and rituals that equate to occultism. Sounds like a great racket to me!

BTW, I don't hate the Catholic Church but for craps sake Gemma, you really need to understand the history of the organization that you put on such a high pedestal. You are so caught up in the dogma that you are totally blinded to the reality. Not all people in the history of your church are sinners but they sure aren’t' all saints either.

Amos

The essence of our sexuality is the inward nature of our sex. Some people call it orientation, others inclination but that is just a small part of it because our sexuality is also wherein we create life, procreate life, cocreate life, nurture love and nurture life. It is independant of existence because out of our sexuality life is created, procreated, cocreated, loved and lived. Simply put, we are sexual beings and in all aspects does our sexuality precede our existence.

The question here was why homosexuality is possible since it violates natural law in that it does not characteristically represent the physical sex. The reason why this is possible is that our sexuality is an illusion that must be created and maintained by the controversy between the opposites out of which our sex is formed. Once formed in the sex of the being our sexuality remains much larger than our physical sex wherefore homosexuals can and do have all the qualities represented by our sexuality with the only handicap that they do not represent fully their own sexual identity.

It is based on this that equal status is given to homosexuals and to which I have not objection except for the fact that if our sexuality is created out of the controversy between male and female the rights granted by society as a whole in effort to remove this controversy will increase the frenquency of homosexual occurances. In short, it will lead to the psychological neutering of society.