WinAce

I'm looking for references and papers dealing with this, what seems to me, uncontrovertible evidence for common descent. I already have those from TalkOrigins on humans and chimps, but I feel that's not subtle enough.

What I plan to do is introduce something like viral fragments showing that wild cats and domestic ones share a common ancestor and comment "see, this is irrefutable proof they evolved!"

When the cretos say "yeah, but so what, they're the same kind", I'll only THEN spring the human/chimp fragments on them and watch them squirm after just admitting that this type of evidence is smoking-gun proof for common ancestry.

I did it a while ago, but unfortunately lost the references to some articles on reconstructing phylogenies from dogs/wolves/other canids, felines, and possibly cows/whales (?)

Any help would be appreciated. And if someone has actual scientific articles they've read that have a direct impact on this issue, (abstract or full) please post.

Once again, I'm looking primarily for detailed sources of information on non-primate endogenous virii, as TalkOrigins already has a section on those. Books would also be a good suggestion.

Dr.GH

Interesting ploy. Most of the references I have are human/nonhuman primate:

<a href="http://vir.sgmjournals.org/cgi/content/full/80/10/2613" target="_blank">http://vir.sgmjournals.org/cgi/content/full/80/10/2613</a>

<a href="http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/96/18/10254#Top" target="_blank">http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/96/18/10254#Top</a>

<a href="http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/full/275/25/18664" target="_blank">http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/full/275/25/18664</a>

You might tease something from this:

<a href="http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/95/16/9407" target="_blank">http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/95/16/9407</a>

<a href="http://www.rtis.com/nat/user/elsberry/evobio/evc/argresp/sequence.html" target="_blank">http://www.rtis.com/nat/user/elsberry/evobio/evc/argresp/sequence.html</a>

[ October 14, 2002: Message edited by: Dr.GH ]</p>

WinAce

Thanks. As always, you're a veritable reference library, Dr. GH