B. H. Manners

""""3) The Taliban belief system is not prevalent in the Islamic world. Its impact however is spreading, unfortunately from Afghanistan to areas in Pakistan. The leader of the Taliban , Mulla Umar, has many similarities with the description of the AntiChrist ( Dark Messiah). The Prophet said that the Dajjal ( Antichrist) will have One-eye and will come from Khurasan ( Afghanistan/Iran). The Taliban Deobandh ideology is diametrically opposed to Islamic Ideals.""""""""""""""""





Hello River,

Could you provide a link or two about Mullah Umar being the Islamic version of the AntiChrist. I'd really like to read more about it.

Magus55

Ok River, care to explain these quotes from the Quran in regard to women?

http://www.carm.org/islam/Koran_women.htm

To summarize: Men have more rights involving divorce then women, men may beat women as long as it doesn't disfigure them, men can have up to 4 wives, but woman can't have that many husbands, a man inherits a portion of two females, and women become sex slaves for the men in Paradise.


Or how about this quote from Mohammed, from the Hadith in regard to women:

Muhammad said more women were in hell than men and that women lacked intelligence.

Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301, Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:



And where did you ever get the idea Mary wears a Hajib? Have you ever met Mary? She died 500 years before Islam even existed.

B. H. Manners

Take a look at this guys:


http://www.geocities.com/islampencer...ticmonthly.htm

River

Here is a preliminary " critique" on your alleged Yamani fragments article.

http://www.afi.org.uk/Orient/3.html

River

I addressed the topic of "Mulla Umar" as the AntiChrist in this thread...complete with links and scriptural basis


http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...threadid=58449

hinduwoman

Rivers please go and argue with faithfreedom people about science. They have a whole forum dedicated to science in Koran and they would be happy to argue with you in Arabic.
Incidentally Eastern religions that existed before Islam are not against science and encourage intellectual enquiry.

As for women this is what Quran says about women:
Men are more excellent than women.
Women can inherit only half the property than a male; even if one is an only daughter the closest male relative would get half the father's property.
1 male witness = 2 female witnesses in law courts.
A muslim man can have 4 wives, but a muslim woman has no corresponding right.
The husband can beat the wife, but not the other way round.
A muslim male has the right to rape his slave girls.
So excuse me if I don't want to live in a Quranic society.


Am afraid that terrorist Muslims are true Muslims after all:
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do
they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the
religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the
tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[4.76]
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

[33.36] And it behoves not a believing man and a believing woman that they
should have any choice in their matter when Allah and His Apostle have decided a
matter; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Apostle, he surely strays off a
manifest straying

And this one is a real eye-opener: [2:216]
War is ordained for you, though you may not like it; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.
So even if you try to be a peaceloving muslim, you cannot be so.


The problem with Islamic societies is that they are theocracies. The ruler is the representative of God; he backs up the clergy who in turn backs him up; and since every muslim is supposed to be a slave of Allah it is a handy tool to control the population. The quran clearly states that the punishment for apostasy is death: it is because as any good muslim will be happy to tell you, apostasy means treason --- treason against Islam.
The clergy long ago made sure of their control by declaring that any kind of bidah, INNOVATION, is forbidden --- there goes science, philosophy and any kind of social reform. Anyone who tries to change anything is declared to be kufr almost automatically. That is why Koran sanctions Jihad as well --- any time people might start thinking sent them on a holy war.
.No break between religious and civil authority, freethinking carries mnandatory death penalty, no Enlightenment century: so of course Islam gets spurts of advance and then falls back into brainwashed mode again.

Believe it or not, so complete is the brainwashing that sane (legally anyway) adults ask immams if picking one's nose in public is permitted, the proper procudeure for urinating, whether it is compulsroy to wash after having sex, if there is anything evil in putting one leg upon another when you turn on your side in sleep.


Have you seen some of the websites of this compassionate religion?
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=en...QR=22809&dgn=3

Mercy and no compulsion definitely!

http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=5482
And you people here think rationalization of Southern slaveowners is awful! Huh!

http://www.binoria.org/q&a/miscellan...ml#possessions
Just imagine USA innudnated with Muslims with such attitudes!

Sorry Rivers, but that is why I am adamantly aginst Islam. It turns people into brainless morons and it is damned dangerous. India is not going to turn into Dar-ul-Islam; too bad that hindu nationalist forces are in the vanguard of the fight, but it is a choice between greater and lesser evils.

River

-hinduwoman

I am not going to argue with you. You dont seem to play by (Kosher) rules.

Doctor X

What . . . she posted evidence?

Hinduwoman . . . so . . . slavegirls are legal . . . hmmmmm?

--J.D.

conkermaniac

That's from the Christianity Apologetics & Research Ministry...

Darn, and that was a pretty fine irony detector you just broke...

conkermaniac

Would you people please stop debating issues that you don't know anything about? This "Eve" was not the first woman ever. Please, stick to (what appears to be) your expertise: religion. :banghead: