Magus55

If the "Christian" has accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, and believe in who He said he was, that He died for their sins and rose again - they will go to Heaven according to God - whether at death, or by Rapture.

But there will be many people who don't make the Rapture and they will endure the Tribulation - which is God's final judgement on the Earth. You've heard of the 4 horsemen of Apocolypse? They come from Revelation,during the Tribulation times. During this time, there will still be a chance for those who weren't Raptured to come to Christ ( as long as they live long enough). The 144,000 Jews, are Jews who missed the Rapture, but came to Christ during the Tribulation and are protected by God, in order to spread the message of Christ throughout the world - in opposition of the Antichrist.

mark9950

This is unfair favoritism and true injustice to favor one group and leave others to suffer.But we know that it has not happened yet,or has it?.

And I doubt that it will happen in magus55 lifetime or mine.

judge

The tribulation happened in 70 a.d.

There will be no rapture....sorry:boohoo:


The book of revelation says in the very first verse it relates things soon to take place

It is about events of 70 a.d., not computer chips and helicopters...sorry:boohoo:

EstherRose

If God asks that we all believe in His son Jesus Christ in order to be saved, and some refuse to believe, then how is this injustice or favoritism?

Please explain. I would like to understand why you feel this way.

Magus55

Um, 1000 years is 1 day to God. On God's time scale, it is soon. It is not about events of 70 a.d - had the tribulation taken place - unbelievers would have already been judged and sentenced, and God would have established New Jerusalem on Earth .

conkermaniac

The favoritism is obvious, if you go by Magus' definition. Why do 144,000 Jews get the opportunity to be saved? Why don't Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, Hindus, etc. get the same opportunity to be saved if they change their mind during the tribulation?

Magus55

I don't think you are understanding this part of revelation. The 144,000 Jews are not the only ones saved - countless others will be saved during this time too. The 144,000 jews are virgin males who are part of the huge bunch of people that get saved during this time, but because Jews and Israel play a unique role in God's plan - they are the ones chosen to spread the word of Christ throughout the world. I'm sure many muslims, buddhists etc will find salvation through this time. But only the 144,000 Jews are sealed by God to serve out their purpose. The rest will most likely be martyred for their faith ( including other Jews, not part of the 144k).

Anyone who survives long enough through the Tribulation to come to Christ and seek forgiveness, will be saved - this is the last chance for everyone left on Earth. But only the Jews will be sealed by God to spread the Word to the masses.

Soul Invictus

Alas, how convenient I've found it for many christians to toggle between what is literal vs what is figurative.

The ironic part is mostly what I critque as figurative, they insist is literal or factual in nature, and when I note something to be read literally, they construe it as figurative!

What a convenient way to avoid criticisms and challenging of dogma. Has anyone else experienced this phenomenon?

winstonjen

Then why does he say that some will not 'taste death' until he returns? Oh wait...he was referring to the practice of necrophillia, and some will not take part in that, right? :boohoo: Or is it a typo in an inerrant book?

judge

The new Jerusalem is already here.
For example read hebrews 12:22. It clearly refers to the new jerusalem as being there in the forst century, not something we are still waiting for