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Old 04-08-2002, 12:29 PM   #11
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My guess is that this article was written by Susan Hutchison's (of DI's "Board of Directors") 15-year-old kid or something.

As for the remark about this not being the DI's "description of the event," funny, the link to the article is headed: "Other articles; Articles published by CRSC Fellows."

<a href="http://www.discovery.org/crsc/" target="_blank">Scroll to the middle of the page, on the right</a>.

Hahaha. So CRSC Fellows (although "Fred Hutchison" is not listed as a CRSC "Fellow") don't represent the DI's views, I guess. Who knows. I'm all confused now.
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I won't even go into details regarding the lame bit in Hutchinson's article regarding Newton and Galileo. There were not many journals--if any--being published in their day. Furthermore, Hutchinson was dead wrong about Darwin first notifying the scientific world of his findings in book form. Darwin and Wallace c0-presented a paper outlining evolution theory to the Royal Society prior to the publication of "origin of Species".</strong>
Sorry I didn't read all your post before. You seem to have been piqued by the same passage I was. One small correction, however. As I said in my post, the paper was presented to the Linnean Society, not the Royal Society. That's from the introduction of The Origin of Species where Darwin breifly relates the history of his research.

They also say the same thing about Einstien as well (publishing a book, and not submitting to journals). I'm pretty sure that's absolutely false. I recall that his paper "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" was published in a scientific journal, but can't remember which one right now.

As a debate tactic, it could be considered effective. Someone prepared to discuss the merits of ID and its inclusion in school science curricula probably wouldn't have publication history of ideas at least a century old on hand.
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Sorry I didn't read all your post before. You seem to have been piqued by the same passage I was. One small correction, however. As I said in my post, the paper was presented to the Linnean Society, not the Royal Society. That's from the introduction of The Origin of Species where Darwin breifly relates the history of his research.

They also say the same thing about Einstien as well (publishing a book, and not submitting to journals). I'm pretty sure that's absolutely false. I recall that his paper "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" was published in a scientific journal, but can't remember which one right now.

As a debate tactic, it could be considered effective. Someone prepared to discuss the merits of ID and its inclusion in school science curricula probably wouldn't have publication history of ideas at least a century old on hand.</strong>
On The Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies was published, IIRC in Annalen der Physik in 1905. I'm not sure that Einstein EVER wrote any books (as opposed to scientific papers),
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<strong>My guess is that this article was written by Susan Hutchison's (of DI's "Board of Directors") 15-year-old kid or something.

As for the remark about this not being the DI's "description of the event," funny, the link to the article is headed: "Other articles; Articles published by CRSC Fellows."

<a href="http://www.discovery.org/crsc/" target="_blank">Scroll to the middle of the page, on the right</a>.

Hahaha. So CRSC Fellows (although "Fred Hutchison" is not listed as a CRSC "Fellow") don't represent the DI's views, I guess. Who knows. I'm all confused now.</strong>

I thought Walter ReMine was a Fellow?

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On The Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies was published, IIRC in Annalen der Physik in 1905. I'm not sure that Einstein EVER wrote any books (as opposed to scientific papers),</strong>
Yup, he did, a "popularisation" of the special theory. I have a copy at home. Published originally in the 1920's. My copy a paperback from the 1960's.
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Einstein did author at least one book; I have a copy of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0691023522/qid%3Dthesecularweb/002-2057418-9552050" target="_blank">The Meaning of Relativity, Including the Relativistic Theory of the Non-Symmetric Field</a>.

Edited to add--Keith, is that the book you have?

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Relativity: The Special and the General Theory by Einstein is included in my super-duper Britannica Great Books of the Western World set. (I also found it on Amazon, linked from the title Muad'Dib provided.)

The Preface and Note to the 15th edition give 1916 and 1952 as their respective publication dates. Einstein's scientific reputation and the credibility of relativity theory were established before his popularizations were written. And that's the proper order of things, IMO.

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Ah-hah. Thanks, I'll look them up.

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<strong>Relativity: The Special and the General Theory by Einstein is included in my super-duper Britannica Great Books of the Western World set. (I also found it on Amazon, linked from the title Muad'Dib provided.)

The Preface and Note to the 15th edition give 1916 and 1952 as their respective publication dates. Einstein's scientific reputation and the credibility of relativity theory were established before his popularizations were written. And that's the proper order of things, IMO.

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<strong>Einstein did author at least one book; I have a copy of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0691023522/qid%3Dthesecularweb/002-2057418-9552050" target="_blank">The Meaning of Relativity, Including the Relativistic Theory of the Non-Symmetric Field</a>.

Edited to add--Keith, is that the book you have?

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Nope. It's "Relativity The Special and the General Theory", A popular Exposition by Albert Einstein. First published 1920, reprinted umpteen times, my copy 1964.

But it does emphasise the original point. He published this book 15 years after SR entered the scientific community and was generally accepted and also after Eddington confirmed one of the major predictions of GR.
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