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KC · 05-20-2003, 06:54 AM

I love this passage from Darwin which I think summarizes the conundrum Creationists have regarding kinds:

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Several eminent naturalists have of late published their belief that a multitude of reputed species in each genus are not real species; but that other species are real, that is, have been independently created. This seems to me a strange conclusion to arrive at. They admit that a multitude of forms, which till lately they themselves thought were special creations, and which are still thus looked at by the majority of naturalists, and which consequently have all the external characteristic features of true species--they admit that these have been produced by variation, but they refuse to extend the same view to other and slightly different forms. Nevertheless, they do not pretend that they can define, or even conjecture, which are the created forms of life, and which are those produced by secondary laws. They admit variation as a vera causa in one case, they arbitrarily reject it in another, without assigning any distinction in the two cases. The day will come when this will be given as a curious illustration of the blindness of preconceived opinion. -- Origin of Species, 6th ed

KC

nogods4me · 05-20-2003, 07:28 AM

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Originally posted by MrDarwin
They'll just say that unless the "fertilized" egg goes on to form an embryo, then it wasn't really fertilized in the first place (even if penetrated by the sperm).

which would then, of course, contradict the fundy position on when "life" begins, that they trot out during abortion discussions.

It's a real shame cognitive dissonance isn't fatal in large doses.

Calzaer · 05-20-2003, 08:47 AM

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They'll just say that unless the "fertilized" egg goes on to form an embryo, then it wasn't really fertilized in the first place (even if penetrated by the sperm).

Which will be tacit support for the Morning After Pill! YAY!

cpickett · 05-20-2003, 01:22 PM

AiG will just throw it out because " By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record." - From the AiG Statement Of Faith

Calzaer · 05-21-2003, 09:31 AM

That's atrocious. How can anyone take these people seriously when they start out with the conclusion they want to reach and throw away everything else?

Oolon Colluphid · 05-21-2003, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by Calzaer
That's atrocious. How can anyone take these people seriously when they start out with the conclusion they want to reach and throw away everything else?

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Originally posted by Calzaer
That's atrocious. How can anyone take these people seriously when they start out with the conclusion they want to reach and throw away everything else?

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Originally posted by Calzaer
That's atrocious. How can anyone take these people seriously when they start out with the conclusion they want to reach and throw away everything else?

Well that's one way to up your post count!

Oolon

Calzaer · 05-21-2003, 02:15 PM

You're not funny.

You're not funny.

You're not funny.

ex-xian · 05-21-2003, 04:14 PM

So what would have happened if they let the human/ape zygoes develop?

Doubting Didymus · 05-21-2003, 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by ex-xian
So what would have happened if they let the human/ape zygoes develop?

They die. Its impressive enought that they can even form a zygote, though. Female gamete calls are like frigging fortresses.

ex-xian · 05-21-2003, 04:29 PM

So couldn't the AiG guys just argue that that's god's way of preventing "kinds" from intermixing. That even a forced fertilization will die naturally b/c god doesn't want the breed to mix. Just like whites and blacks shouldn't interbreed. (sorry, cheap shot at AiG)

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05-20-2003, 01:22 PM	#14
cpickett Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Arcadia, IN, USA Posts: 308	AiG will just throw it out because " By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record." - From the AiG Statement Of Faith

05-21-2003, 09:31 AM	#15
Calzaer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,762	That's atrocious. How can anyone take these people seriously when they start out with the conclusion they want to reach and throw away everything else?

05-21-2003, 02:15 PM	#17
Calzaer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,762	You're not funny. You're not funny. You're not funny.

05-21-2003, 04:14 PM	#18
ex-xian Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 4,679	So what would have happened if they let the human/ape zygoes develop?

05-21-2003, 04:29 PM	#20
ex-xian Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 4,679	So couldn't the AiG guys just argue that that's god's way of preventing "kinds" from intermixing. That even a forced fertilization will die naturally b/c god doesn't want the breed to mix. Just like whites and blacks shouldn't interbreed. (sorry, cheap shot at AiG)

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