lpetrich

So it may not even have been spotaneous, but due to a medicine rather than to a picture of MT.

Isn't it interesting how the Vatican finds it very hard to find convincing miracles to attribute to would-be present-day saints?

When their medieval predecessors had no trouble working lots and lots of miracles?

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winstonjen

Here are some quotes from <a href="http://www.geocities.com/missus_gumby/quote.htm" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/missus_gumby/quote.htm</a>

I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot... the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people." - Agnes Gonxa Bojaxhiu (Mother Teresa)

Suffering is good? Fine. You torture yourself all you want, you sado-machist 'compassionate' fundamentalist!

God always provides. - Agnes Gonxa Bojaxhiu (Mother Teresa)

Yeah, right. Then why are there so many starving people in third world countries?

The poor should remain poor ... Without them, we will lose our jobs." - Sister Nirmala, Superior General of the Missionaries of Charity - after the death of Mother Teresa.

These speak for themselves.

Amie

yeah the Catholic church definitely wants her canonized, so they'll find the miracles somwhere...1 down 1 to go...

Usually people must wait 5 years after the person has died before starting a campaign for sainthood. The time frame is intended to look into the life of the person who will be potentially sainted. After the 5 years and their case is reviewed by a board, they are given the title of "Venerable"
Pope John Paul waived this rule in the case of Mother Teresa so no 5 year waiting at all.

Then there is the beautification. This is when the person is credited with a miracle that happened after the person's death. Then the Vatican has to confirm the miracle. Following that a second miracle is required for formal sainthood.

Martyrs are always exempt from the miracle requirements...they get all the breaks

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winstonjen

So the Vatican endorses suicide as long as the matyr can make it look like a matyrdom?

Infinity Lover

If you're gonna throw out a line for her, can't you at least put on something in good taste for bait?

winstonjen

Please say that in English, please. I don't mean this as disrespect, just that I don't understand what you mean.

It is true that some religious people are so hell-bent (no pun intended) on matyrdom that their behaviour borders on suicidal.

Amie

Hi winstonjen It's pretty much how the Vatican perceives the turn of events involving the death. They are kind of like their own little entity, that Vatican...

Jackalope

No, just like the coup de grace, it's not suicide as long as the deed was done by someone else's hand. While people like to use terms like "suicide by cop," it's really not the same thing. The rules border on doublethink, but there are rules.

winstonjen

But in suicide-by-cop, and some cases of matyrdom, they are basically ASKING the person to kill them, so wouldn't it still be suicide?