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Old 07-08-2003, 07:37 PM   #111
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As much as I know you'd like to make this a debate about Magus, it isn't.
It's about the Christian cult he belongs to. You are having trouble following this, I know. Next thread we'll use smaller words.
You're doing just fine. Really.

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And the scripture which predicts the Messiah would save Israel from Rome is...?

So are we just off on your fantasy now?
Came up empty again, huh?

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Do you even have a name for your unique beliefs?
Yeah. yguyism. Happy now?

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You have no way of knowing who was pulling strings. Considering that both America and Britain were avowedly Christian at the time, there is plenty of evidence for the influence of Christ in the re-formation of Israel.
As was Nazi Germany who created the guilt that the rest of the nations felt.
Nazi Germany was obviously not a Christian nation, avowals notwithstanding.

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And the United States Government, by the way, is not avowedly Christian by law.
Doesn't matter. The phrase, "separation of church and state" had not become a de facto part of the Constitution at that time, and no one batted an eye when someone referred to America as a Christian nation.
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Old 07-08-2003, 11:38 PM   #112
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Came up empty again, huh?
No, I didn't even bother to look. What the F**k does it matter when you are only going to ignore it as you do with every fact you are presented

Yeah. yguyism. Happy now?
Is this an admission that you are making it up as you go along? You aren't doing a very good job.

Nazi Germany was obviously not a Christian nation, avowals notwithstanding.
Who are you to judge who is a true Christian and who is not? Obviously from the piles of millions of corpses they were the very essence of a Christian nation.

Doesn't matter. The phrase, "separation of church and state" had not become a de facto part of the Constitution at that time, and no one batted an eye when someone referred to America as a Christian nation.
Yeah, right. Are you trying to make a joke, because I can't believe that you are as abysmally ignorant as you are making yourself out to be?
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Old 07-09-2003, 09:52 AM   #113
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Yeah. yguyism. Happy now?
Is this an admission that you are making it up as you go along? You aren't doing a very good job.
Even if I am making it up on the fly, I'm doing a good enough job that you haven't been able to find fault with anything I've said.

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Nazi Germany was obviously not a Christian nation, avowals notwithstanding.
Who are you to judge who is a true Christian and who is not?
If I'm not qualified to say Nazi Germany was NOT a Christian nation, what makes YOU qualified to say it WAS? Your atheism, maybe?

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Obviously from the piles of millions of corpses they were the very essence of a Christian nation.
Then I guess that would make the Soviet Union under Stalin an even MORE Christian nation, wouldn't it?

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Doesn't matter. The phrase, "separation of church and state" had not become a de facto part of the Constitution at that time, and no one batted an eye when someone referred to America as a Christian nation.

Yeah, right. Are you trying to make a joke,
No.
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Old 07-09-2003, 10:35 AM   #114
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Even if I am making it up on the fly, I'm doing a good enough job that you haven't been able to find fault with anything I've said.
Well let's see, yesterday you treated us to:
Separation of church and state wasn't a "de facto" part of the United States Constitution until after the Second World War II.
Jesus created the modern day republic of Israel by proxy nineteen hundred plus years after he croaked (better late than never I always say).
Germans aren't Christian.
Jews aren't qualified to say what Jews believe.
Atheists aren't qualified to discuss what either Jews or Christians believe.
Christians don't believe in the divinity of Jesus or the Trinity.
You have a religion named after yourself which qualifies you to rule on all beliefs.
And, oh yes, you are a defender of truth.

I must admit I feel rather guilty about sticking with this thread. It's really wrong of me to find such humor in another human beings defects, but, LOL, I can't help myself. It's like a Three Stooges film. A sanctimonious Shemp, missing only the coconut sound effects.

If I'm not qualified to say Nazi Germany was NOT a Christian nation, what makes YOU qualified to say it WAS? Your atheism, maybe?
Because they said they were. Because all the people they killed, the Jews, the gays, the heretics (Jehovah's Witnesses) were people historically hated by Christians and condemned by scripture. Alright they Xed the Gypsies too…they were on a roll.

Then I guess that would make the Soviet Union under Stalin an even MORE Christian nation, wouldn't it?
Stalin didn't kill anyone for the Atheist philosophy…there is no Atheist philosophy.

Yeah, right. Are you trying to make a joke,
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No.


You cut out "…because I can't believe that you are as abysmally ignorant as you are making yourself out to be?"
Oh well, that's still pretty funny. Right up there with…"Hey Moe! I tried ta think, but nutin' happened. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk."
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Old 07-09-2003, 11:19 AM   #115
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Even if I am making it up on the fly, I'm doing a good enough job that you haven't been able to find fault with anything I've said.
Well let's see, yesterday you treated us to:
Separation of church and state wasn't a "de facto" part of the United States Constitution until after the Second World War II.
So what's the problem?

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Jesus created the modern day republic of Israel by proxy nineteen hundred plus years after he croaked (better late than never I always say).
That's what I believe. It can neither be substantiated nor refuted with the resources available to either of us.

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Germans aren't Christian.
That, of course, is a blatant distortion of what I said. You're piling up credibility problems for yourself all over the place.

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Jews aren't qualified to say what Jews believe.
Same here. What I said was that SOME Jews don't qualify to be arbiters of the Jewish faith by virtue of greater numbers.

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Atheists aren't qualified to discuss what either Jews or Christians believe.
Another brazen lie.

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Christians don't believe in the divinity of Jesus or the Trinity.
Didn't say that either.

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You have a religion named after yourself which qualifies you to rule on all beliefs.
I don't have any religion whatsoever, and I haven't claimed any authority whatsoever - except, of course, the authority you give me by reading my posts.

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And, oh yes, you are a defender of truth.
That's what you obviously think YOU are, so what's the problem?

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If I'm not qualified to say Nazi Germany was NOT a Christian nation, what makes YOU qualified to say it WAS? Your atheism, maybe?
Because they said they were.
Then I guess all I have to do to be a Green Beret is say I am one, right?

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Because all the people they killed, the Jews, the gays, the heretics (Jehovah's Witnesses) were people historically hated by Christians and condemned by scripture.
Jews were never condemned in scripture for being Jews. There is no commandment in the Bible to kill heretics merely on account of what they believe, although many heretics were no doubt ordered killed in the OT because they wanted to lead Israel astray. And Hitler was hardly an enemy of "gays", his relationship with Ernst Roehm demonstrates. He succumbed to the "gay" haters as a political move. And Jesus certainly never countenanced the execution of "gays" any more than He did the execution of the adulterous woman.

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Then I guess that would make the Soviet Union under Stalin an even MORE Christian nation, wouldn't it?
Stalin didn't kill anyone for the Atheist philosophy…there is no Atheist philosophy.
So the answer to my question is...?
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Oh, tears in my eyes, ROTFLMAO. A PC defense of Adolph Hitler even. What a stitch!! I know it's wrong to laugh at the poor guy, but I can't help myself. This is just too funny.
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Old 07-09-2003, 02:33 PM   #117
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Oh, tears in my eyes, ROTFLMAO. A PC defense of Adolph Hitler even. What a stitch!! I know it's wrong to laugh at the poor guy, but I can't help myself. This is just too funny.
The fact that the only arrow evidently left in Mr. Unclean's quiver is an argument ad ridiculum makes me quite sanguine about declaring myself the winner.

Chalk up another one for the y-man.
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Old 07-09-2003, 03:39 PM   #118
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To cry "argument ad ridiculum" a scant three word's after calling me a name is an interesting piece of irony.
Go ahead, declare yourself the winner, that's no more unfounded and loopy than anything else you've declared so far. My sides are aching too much from laughing at you for me to care.
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