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MrDarwin · 12-07-2002, 05:48 AM

Sounds like a slam-dunk for the ACLU:

<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21279-2002Dec6.html" target="_blank">Va. County Biased Against Wiccan, ACLU Suit Says</a>

But then again, it's Virginia.

Quote:

In his letter to Simpson [the Wiccan who is suing], County Attorney Steven L. Micas wrote that "Chesterfield's nonsectarian invocations are traditionally made to a divinity that is consistent with the Judeo-Christian tradition. Based upon our review of Wicca, it is neo-pagan and invokes polytheistic, pre-Christian deities."

Kelly E. Miller, chairman of the Chesterfield Board of Supervisors, vowed to fight the lawsuit. He said the county should continue to allow prayers only from Jews and Christians.

"That is basically a non-religion," Miller said of Wicca. "It doesn't recognize the God that we have recognized. My perspective is that we should continue to follow the Judeo-Christian perspective. In the name of diversity, we need not throw away our Christian heritage."

[ December 07, 2002: Message edited by: MrDarwin ]

crazyfingers · 12-07-2002, 06:12 AM

SOme people refuse to get it. <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

DougI · 12-07-2002, 06:53 AM

AU will probably win but the courts will still allow the government endorsment of religion. The practice will be determined constitutional as long as the practices only discriminate against Atheists.

hezekiah jones · 12-07-2002, 09:24 AM

Lynn added, "... This is about as blatant as you can get."

That's for sure. This Miller character needs the clue-by-four.

trunks2k · 12-07-2002, 10:30 AM

That link doesn't seem to be working. Seems to be a problem on the Washington Post server. but here's a link for it at the AU website:

<a href="http://www.au.org/press/pr021206.htm" target="_blank">http://www.au.org/press/pr021206.htm</a>

Splat · 12-07-2002, 01:36 PM

OutFuckingStanding!

I wondered if Simpson would pursue this. I'm delighted she did.

I used to listen to Wisconsin Public Radio's Ideas Network (mostly intelligent talk radio) constantly when I lived there, and every time there was somebody advocating for prayer in schools, I'd call in. The proponents were always at pains to point out that all faiths would be allowed to offer the prayer. Each time I got on the air, I'd ask if it would be ok for me, as a satanist (I lied--Bad Dog), to lead the prayer. And EVERY SINGLE TIME the response was uncomfortable sputtering, like they'd never even considered that it would be anything but a judeo-xian prayer.

Which is why I've harbored a secret suspicion that the best thing for the wall might be to let theists tear it down a bit and live for a few years with the chaos that would ensue. Of course, this was in the days before they'd come up with the "xian tradition" argument and obfuscations and lies to support it. But I think this is just peachy.

Vorkosigan · 12-07-2002, 04:36 PM

Yes, there's a certain delicious irony in the fact of us atheists saving the Christian Community from itself.

Philosoft · 12-07-2002, 08:34 PM

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Yes, there's a certain delicious irony in the fact of us atheists saving the Christian Community from itself.
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Posts: 6666 | From: Barrayar | Registered: Jan 2001 | IP: Logged

What the hell does that mean?

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[ December 09, 2002: Message edited by: Toto ]

Living Dead Chipmunk · 12-08-2002, 11:49 AM

Satan to a power of 10!

Toto · 12-08-2002, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by Living Dead Chipmunk:
Satan to a power of 10!

Not power of 10! just a mere 10 Satans, and a prime spot in the No Life Club

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12-07-2002, 06:12 AM	#2
crazyfingers Contributor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 13,699	SOme people refuse to get it. <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

12-07-2002, 06:53 AM	#3
DougI Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Wichita, KS, USA Posts: 932	AU will probably win but the courts will still allow the government endorsment of religion. The practice will be determined constitutional as long as the practices only discriminate against Atheists.

12-07-2002, 09:24 AM	#4
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Lynn added, "... This is about as blatant as you can get." That's for sure. This Miller character needs the clue-by-four.

12-07-2002, 10:30 AM	#5
trunks2k Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 6,997	That link doesn't seem to be working. Seems to be a problem on the Washington Post server. but here's a link for it at the AU website: <a href="http://www.au.org/press/pr021206.htm" target="_blank">http://www.au.org/press/pr021206.htm</a>

12-07-2002, 01:36 PM	#6
Splat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hell, PA Posts: 599	OutFuckingStanding! I wondered if Simpson would pursue this. I'm delighted she did. I used to listen to Wisconsin Public Radio's Ideas Network (mostly intelligent talk radio) constantly when I lived there, and every time there was somebody advocating for prayer in schools, I'd call in. The proponents were always at pains to point out that all faiths would be allowed to offer the prayer. Each time I got on the air, I'd ask if it would be ok for me, as a satanist (I lied--Bad Dog), to lead the prayer. And EVERY SINGLE TIME the response was uncomfortable sputtering, like they'd never even considered that it would be anything but a judeo-xian prayer. Which is why I've harbored a secret suspicion that the best thing for the wall might be to let theists tear it down a bit and live for a few years with the chaos that would ensue. Of course, this was in the days before they'd come up with the "xian tradition" argument and obfuscations and lies to support it. But I think this is just peachy.

12-07-2002, 04:36 PM	#7
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Yes, there's a certain delicious irony in the fact of us atheists saving the Christian Community from itself.

12-08-2002, 11:49 AM	#9
Living Dead Chipmunk Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 312	Satan to a power of 10!

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