Mageth

Well, "Some Guy" wasn't an omniscient God making a prophecy, was he? To avoid even the appearance that the prophecy wasn't fulfilled, why didn't Jesus simply say something like "See these buildings? There won't be one of them left standing!"

AJ113

Jesus says in John 6:54

"Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."

Let there be no misunderstanding about exactly what is being said, here, for his own disciples say in John 6:60

".....This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?"

Note that there is no mention or even suggestion of transubstantiation.

Apart from this, we are told all the way through John that we simply have to believe in Christ to gain eternal life, not eat him.

Azathoth

Deut 2:30,to 2:37

2:30
But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand, as appeareth this day.

2:31
And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land.

2:32
Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz.

2:33
And the LORD our God delivered him before us;and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.

2:34
And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men,and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

2:35
Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took.

2:36
From Aroer,which is by the brink of the river of Arnon,and from the city that is by the river,even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us:

2:37
Only unto the land of the children of Ammon thou camest not, nor unto any place of the river Jabbok,nor unto the cities in the mountains,nor unto whatsoever the LORD our God forbad us.


But for Yahweh,those people would have let the Israelites pass.The only reason they didn't was because Yahweh purposely caused their king to not let them pass,for the sole reason of taking their land.

Yahweh purposely attacked those people with his own pets.His chosen people.

As for whether any of the scenes upset my "modern sensibilities",the same god who supports Israel in all of their butchery,is the same god that is called a "God of Love".It makes no sense,whether on not my "sensibilities" are affected.

Call Yahweh the god of war,the god of genocide,or the god of butchers,and I'd have no problem,as those would be accurate descriptions.I still wouldn't worship the thing,or consider it to be moral,but,at least the description would be accurate.

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Jeremy Pallant

One of my favorites is this one:

Deuteronomy 23:1 "He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord."

That must have made for some interesting scenes. Can you imagine?

Priest: Are your testicles and penis intact?
Man: Yes.
Priest: Sorry, gotta do a dick check. Lift the robes while I cop a feel.
Man: Your hands are cold!

lpetrich

Matthew 19:12

For there are eunuchs who have been born that way, there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven.

(approximately)

Which fits in with Jesus Christ's teaching to remove body parts that cause one to sin.

That story of the fig tree. Which struck me as shockingly immature.

And the Book of Revelation has long seemed to me like someone's drug trip.

svensky

Hello Jeremy how have you been ?

Some context is everything in a question like this.

Have a read of <a href="http://www.christian-thinktank.com/qamorite.html" target="_blank">How could a God of Love order the massacre/annihilation of the Canaanites?</a> if you would like a long detailed answer with all of the background.

If you just want a sound bite answer then

Basiclly they had it coming. Why was it right to fight back against the nazi's in WW2 ?

They had long period of warning of the judgement if they didn't change there ways and they where the worst of the worst in the ANE area. Practicing all manner of things upto and including human sacrifice.

Also they attacked israel for centuries prior to the judgement.

But have a read of the whole article to get a proper perspective.

Jason

Jeremy Pallant

Prove it.

That's a lie. The reason the Bible gives for the massacre of the Amalakites is the actions of their forefathers 400 years previously.

This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.

You think this is a good, moral, justifiable act?

By that standard I would be justified in declaring war against France, my ancestors having been driven out of that country by the French Catholics four hundred years ago.

Agree, or disagree?

Bumble Bee Tuna

Also take into account- Yeah, it is justifiable to fight back against the Nazis. You didn't see us killing every male among the German poulation and raping all the women, did you? Defending oneself is one thing, destroying children and raping women is wholly different.

Even more damning of course is the fact that it's really equivalent to murdering all the men and raping all the women of Germany 340 years from now for the crimes of the Nazis, as Jeremy just pointed out.

-B

svensky

Read the article I linked it is all in there.

Why do you think I posted the link ?

Jason

Steven Carr

'Basiclly they had it coming. Why was it right to fight back against the nazi's in WW2 ?'


You mean we should have killed all German men, women and children?

Why were the Nazis wrong to read a book and then conclude that a whole group of people should be killed? It seems to be very similar to what you are doing.

You write 'Practicing all manner of things upto and including human sacrifice.'

Evidence for these human sacrifices please.

Demonstrate that if a religion kills a few people (perhaps the Inquisition comes to mind), then all followers of that religion should be slaughtered.