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01-09-2002, 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by beachbum:
I have a problem with this. Isn't smuggling bibles into China against Chinese law? 

Yes it is.

Isn't smuggling just about anythingin to the States against US law? 

Yes it is. That is why it is called smuggling.

Then what would we do if China started to holler because we caught and were going to publish Chinese citizens form smuggling stuff into the US? 

We (you) do, at least you try to as best as you can.

Do we have the right to tell China that their laws are wrong?

You have the right to say anything you like inside America where you have freedom of speach.

You have no right to enforce your laws and civil rights in other countries.

Amos

IvanK · 01-09-2002, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by Amos:
Ps If you think I am a little weaselly troll you are fucking idiot who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

At last, we understand each other. Goodbye.

nerv111 · 01-09-2002, 02:06 PM

Here is an interesting question, why doesn�t the Chinese government, if they consider cults to be dangerous, crack down on Xian cults just as they did with the other one (I forget what it was called; Falon Gon or something)?

[ January 09, 2002: Message edited by: nerv111 ]

Eudaimonist · 01-09-2002, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by Amos:
Freedom of religion is wrong if the mythology is for the survival of the tribe.

Fine. Mormonism is a rapidly growing and vital American religion. Let's make that the official religion of the US, and all Catholic churches will immediately become Mormon churches. Anyone who resists this will be arrested.

01-09-2002, 03:10 PM

Fine with me, they tried that in England when Shakespeare wrote his satires against the C of E. Just because they are growing rapidly doesn't make them right. If Mormonism is right it must first overshadow Catholicism and that is not that easy because if ever anybody latches on to some truth it will automatically drag them to Rome. Just a fact.

[ January 09, 2002: Message edited by: Amos ]

01-09-2002, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by nerv111:
Here is an interesting question, why doesn�t the Chinese government, if they consider cults to be dangerous, crack down on Xian cults just as they did with the other one (I forget what it was called; Falon Gon or something)?

[ January 09, 2002: Message edited by: nerv111 ]

Don't be surprised if they will. Many bible flaunting fundies are killed each year and there are some stats on this if you care to look them up.

01-09-2002, 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by IvanK:


At last, we understand each other. Goodbye.

I had hoped you would answer my post. Exodus II is probably off the market today but you may find some copies around.

PopeInTheWoods · 01-09-2002, 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by nerv111:
Here is an interesting question, why doesn’t the Chinese government, if they consider cults to be dangerous, crack down on Xian cults just as they did with the other one (I forget what it was called; Falon Gon or something)?

In some cases they do, both on proselytising foreigners and domestic adherents. I believe xianity is considered a tool of Western capitalism/imperialism (imagine that).

Andy (PITW)

nerv111 · 01-09-2002, 09:11 PM

I will say one thing, once can seem to understand why the Chinese government would want to keep Christianity under control in their nation. One look at an (objective) history textbook and it is easy to identify crimes against civilization committed by monotheistic religions (though the communist regime in China is hardly any better).

bookworm · 01-09-2002, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by nerv111:
Here is an interesting question, why doesn’t the Chinese government, if they consider cults to be dangerous, crack down on Xian cults just as they did with the other one (I forget what it was called; Falon Gon or something)?

Falun Gong (or more accurately, Falun Dafa) isn't a cult - it barely even qualifies as a "religion" at all. I think it's more similar to yoga and tai chi. Check the following link for more info:

<a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/falungong.htm" target="_blank">http://www.religioustolerance.org/falungong.htm</A>

01-09-2002, 02:06 PM	#13
nerv111 Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 421	Here is an interesting question, why doesn�t the Chinese government, if they consider cults to be dangerous, crack down on Xian cults just as they did with the other one (I forget what it was called; Falon Gon or something)? [ January 09, 2002: Message edited by: nerv111 ]</p>

01-09-2002, 03:10 PM	#15
Amos Guest Posts: n/a	Fine with me, they tried that in England when Shakespeare wrote his satires against the C of E. Just because they are growing rapidly doesn't make them right. If Mormonism is right it must first overshadow Catholicism and that is not that easy because if ever anybody latches on to some truth it will automatically drag them to Rome. Just a fact. [ January 09, 2002: Message edited by: Amos ]</p>

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01-09-2002, 09:11 PM	#19
nerv111 Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 421	I will say one thing, once can seem to understand why the Chinese government would want to keep Christianity under control in their nation. One look at an (objective) history textbook and it is easy to identify crimes against civilization committed by monotheistic religions (though the communist regime in China is hardly any better).

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