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Ender · 03-06-2002, 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by NialScorva:
First off, just because you did not get the answer you wanted doesn't make the answers you provided incorrect.

Couldn't agree more

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Originally posted by NialScorva:That would be a fallacy of opacity, assuming that your question necessarily addresses the same concept.

Smart ass! Actually I wonder when an argument suffers from more than one fallacy, does it matter which one applies first? Probably depends on the method of the critical thinker- does he analyze the truth validity of the premises or the logical deductive/inductive reasoning between the premises and the conclusion?

~WiGGiN~

NialScorva · 03-06-2002, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by Ender the Theothanatologist:
Actually I wonder when an argument suffers from more than one fallacy, does it matter which one applies first? Probably depends on the method of the critical thinker- does he analyze the truth validity of the premises or the logical deductive/inductive reasoning between the premises and the conclusion?

Well, a lot of fallacies are redundant anyway. Consider how many fallacies fall under non-sequitur: ad antiquarem, ad baculum, ad crumenam, post hoc ergo propter hoc, etc.

Jonsey3333 · 03-07-2002, 12:14 AM

Jonsey3333:

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I think this is an Ad Ignorantiam (appeal to ignorance). The burden of proof is on the rationalist to prove that their conception is necessary for truth.

NialScorva:

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Please explain. What conception are you refering to?

The conception of the mind being split up into different pieces. Just because such a thing is hard, maybe impossible, to conceive does not make it untrue. I can't conceive of 12 spatial dimensions, but apparently there were many of them at one point in our universe's history, and it certainly isn't impossible.

-Mike

Christopher Lord · 03-07-2002, 12:14 AM

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Could you please explain what exactly is the difference between these two things ?
To claim that they are different seems like an extreme splitting of hairs at best.

The Circulatory system is a part of the body. But it is also a process that occurs in the body.
The process of circulation is NOT a part of the body. It is the verb form of the word, not the noun form. Actions can not be 'parts' of something in the physical sense.

Same with the mind. You have the noun form (brain), and the verb form (mind).

The actions of a 100-billion nural network are not part of the network, but are a function of it. Call thisa process, an application, a mind, or software, your still talking about the same thing.

Theophage · 03-07-2002, 07:57 AM

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The Circulatory system is a part of the body. But it is also a process that occurs in the body.
The process of circulation is NOT a part of the body</strong>

Silly materialist.

Circulation of blood in the human body is due to the Spirit of Circulation(tm). Sure blood circulation requires a heart and blood vessels, but did you think that they did the job all by themselves? A dead person also has a heart and blood vessels, but they clearly dont have any circulation going on. Why? Because the blessed Spirit of Circulation(tm) has departed their body.

Some upstarts would argue that since physical damage affects the circulatory system, that is evidence that the system is purely physical. But what they simply refuse to understand is that such damage simply impairs the ability of the Spirit of Circulation(tm) to control the circulatory system.

See Jason, I can be a dualist too...

NialScorva · 03-07-2002, 09:37 AM

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But what they simply refuse to understand is that such damage simply impairs the ability of the Spirit of Circulation(tm) to control the circulatory system.

Oh, beautiful! This is excellent.

Jonsey3333 · 03-07-2002, 09:40 AM

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-Mike

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