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Morpheus · 08-06-2003, 11:04 PM

thanks a lot guys. much of the commentary in this thread is quite helpful (peter kirby and jobar, among many others).

Jabu Khan · 08-07-2003, 01:13 AM

what abiut the chronologies of genesis chapters 1 and 2.
The order of the creation of the sun, earth, moon etc. and the animals and man are reversed.

Doctor X · 08-07-2003, 01:50 AM

Indeed.

I have read apology that it is "creation in spirit" versus "creation in flesh"--which apparently requires a god to change his name. Much simpler to recognize two different creation myths.

--J.D.

Jack the Bodiless · 08-07-2003, 02:10 AM

A common apologetic answer to that one is that the second creation sequence applies only to subsequent events within the Garden of Eden.

Of course, the Bible doesn't actually state this.

Doctor X · 08-07-2003, 03:08 AM

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Of course, the Bible doesn't actually state this.

HA!

Since when did that ever stop a theologian?

--J.D.

winstonjen · 08-07-2003, 03:11 AM

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Originally posted by Doctor X
HA!

Since when did that ever stop a theologian?

--J.D.

When they can't read.

Magus55 · 08-07-2003, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by Jabu Khan
what abiut the chronologies of genesis chapters 1 and 2.
The order of the creation of the sun, earth, moon etc. and the animals and man are reversed.

Gen 1 is a summary of Creation. It starts with, " In the beginning, God created...."

Gen 2, concentrates on day 6, specifically the creation of humans, but it isn't in Chronological order, where as Gen 1 is. The focus of Gen 2 is to show the purposes God had for man, including having dominion over, and naming the animals. There was no need to mention the animals first in Gen 2, since Adam needed to be assigned a task involving them first ( naming them).

08-07-2003, 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by Doctor X
Indeed.

I have read apology that it is "creation in spirit" versus "creation in flesh"--which apparently requires a god to change his name. Much simpler to recognize two different creation myths.

--J.D.

Gen 1 is "God said" is first cause that created the essence of existence and after this essence Lord God formed that which God created.

This same happens in our conscious mind which can be tied down in our subconscious mind to be formed in our genes.

The third cause is our ego that was created in Gen.3 because it modifies 'Gods' thinking and if we don't do it right Mary of the RNA will give us a headache-- if nothing else.

Doctor X · 08-07-2003, 04:03 PM

Except that god "cuts" the heavens from the earth--more reliable translation of the word. This is not creation, it is reordering.

That and we have more than one god--El, YHWH--depending on which creation myth one is in.

Two myths brought together.

--J.D.

Magus55 · 08-07-2003, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Doctor X
Except that god "cuts" the heavens from the earth--more reliable translation of the word. This is not creation, it is reordering.

That and we have more than one god--El, YHWH--depending on which creation myth one is in.

Two myths brought together.

--J.D.

Elohim and YHWH are the same thing, as is Jehovah.

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08-06-2003, 11:04 PM	#81
Morpheus Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Baltimore Posts: 14	thanks a lot guys. much of the commentary in this thread is quite helpful (peter kirby and jobar, among many others).

08-07-2003, 01:13 AM	#82
Jabu Khan Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: the impenetrable fortress of the bubbleheads Posts: 1,308	what abiut the chronologies of genesis chapters 1 and 2. The order of the creation of the sun, earth, moon etc. and the animals and man are reversed.

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Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Indeed. I have read apology that it is "creation in spirit" versus "creation in flesh"--which apparently requires a god to change his name. Much simpler to recognize two different creation myths. --J.D.

08-07-2003, 02:10 AM	#84
Jack the Bodiless Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 5,815	A common apologetic answer to that one is that the second creation sequence applies only to subsequent events within the Garden of Eden. Of course, the Bible doesn't actually state this.

08-07-2003, 04:03 PM	#89
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Except that god "cuts" the heavens from the earth--more reliable translation of the word. This is not creation, it is reordering. That and we have more than one god--El, YHWH--depending on which creation myth one is in. Two myths brought together. --J.D.

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