mnkbdky

Are you saying that it is impossible for someone, who is not a super-genius and will never become a super-genius, to know these things?

SecularFuture

What makes you think that someone who was not currently a super-genius could never become a super-genius?

Vandrare

i agree.....

when i cease to exist, i'm not going to be concious in a way that i can lament no longer existing, so why worry about death! what there is is right here and right now. why worry about dying when all life is is just one big long experience. ride the wave baby.....
so much to see and do, i intend to make the most of it while i can.

SecularFuture

Vandrare
It seems very odd to me that some people just don't mind the idea of not existing. Oh well... we're all different views, which is a good thing (sometimes / most times / it depends).

mnkbdky

I didn't say they could not become a super-genius. I said they will not become a super-genius.

It is logically possible that someone could become a super-genius, but it is also logically possilbe that they will remain a non-super-genius.

The question is,

Is it impossible for someone who will remain a non-super-genius to know these things?

SecularFuture

What do your questions have to do with death?

Anyhow - How do you know (without complete knowledge) that some people could never reach the "super-genius" level? You're making an unfounded assumption.

mnkbdky

Once again I didn't say some people could never reach the "super-genius" level.

However, since you are having trouble understanding my question let me phrase it differently.

Is it impossible for me, who is not a super-genius at the moment, to know these things now?

Or is it only possible for me to know these things after I become a super-genius?

My comments have nothing to do with death. They are taking issue with your statement, which says:

It seems to me you are saying it is impossible for someone--who is not a super-genius--to know that God is governor of their life. Therefore, they are "without reason or evidence" to believe that God is governor of their life and are "hanging by the thin thread of blind--unfounded--faith."

If that claim is false, then, it is possilbe for someone--who is not a super-genius--to know that God is governor of their life. If it is possible for them to know that God is governor of their life, then, their belief that God is governor of their life is not without reason or evidence and is not hanging by the thread of blind--unfounded--faith. Rather, they are quite reasonalbe and stand on sure and solid ground--perhaps we might say a Rock.

Vandrare

secular future:
its not that i dont mind the idea of not existing anymore, its just that looking from the perspective of someone who doesn't exist - its just not an issue.

SecularFuture

mnkbdky
It’s not about what you say. It’s all about what’s possible. No one alive today, that I know of, knows for a fact if it is impossible for some people to reach a super-genius level of intelligence. And please stop trying to play with words. It’s not working with me. Become a Transhumanist. It’ll make you feel much better.

Without complete knowledge of the physical world, I don’t think it would be logical to label anything as being “impossible”, nor are we in the position to deem something as having a supernatural origin or nature either. Without complete knowledge of the natural world, we are not qualified to label something as being of a supernatural origin or nature.

After you become a “super-genius” you will know everything that there is to know. That is when you’d be qualified to make claims about something - so on – and so forth.

Do you believe in a god concept?

mnkbdky

If I am reading you correctly you are saying that "without complete knowledg of the physical world" it is not possible "to deem something as having a supernatural origin or nature."

However, you also say that it is not "logical" to say that anything is impossible.

If it is not logical to say that anything is impossible, then, you are committed to saying that it is possible that someone "without complete knowledge" has the ability to lable something as having a supernatural origin or nature.

Your whole argument refutes itself.

Please answer yes or no, and only yes or no, to the question below.

Is it possible for me, who is not a super-genius at the moment, to have knowledge about these things now?