WJ

Ahh my fweelings are hurted. Looks like Reasonable's arguments are down in the toilet again. How many does this make?


Atheism is only a default position, for the weakminded. It establishes no thing!

Put in another quarter and try again!

Apeman

Jayhawker Soule

Again, no less. Gosh, I thought I got to make an argument first.

Samhain

Can you back up your bullshit, Walrus? I'd definately like to hear any reason you'd like to pull out of your ass as to why this position is for the "weakminded". By the way, you're missing a hyphen. Also, I'd like to hear your reasoning behind why you have illusions that it establishes nothing.

Eagerly waiting your sure to be ridiculous reply,

Samhain

free12thinker

If this were Survivor, WJ would've been the first kicked off the island. In fact, he would get kicked off the island every day, even when he's gone, because his bullshit just reintroduces itself at every corner.

What do you say we just call it a day with him?

Ender

Not in the literal sense- but our beliefs in a deity has succumbed to duplicity. This "theological death" peels the thin veneer of hypocrisy from meaninglessness and opens to door to nihilism. God used to be central to every theme- science, religion, literature, even the meaning of life- all now groundless. The bottom fell out of our valuation, given there is no longer any "supernatural" authorization. The absolute values and eternal truths are no longer grounded in anything certain.
What objective view? What are you babbling about this time? As usual, you ignore what I said about Ayer, so it should come as no surprise why you are incapable of responding in turn. His verification principle is self-refuting, so you can put that "anti-atheism" wand down now, kid, and run along. Karl Popper put the kibosh on positivism.
Eh. You are being willfully dense as usual. There is no need to prove a negative. You are equally as guilty as I am- the blood of God stains your hands.
Bottom line: You never had any.
~WiGGiN~
PS. If nothing else, you make an entertaining theist! Keep up the frivolous nonsense!

Koyaanisqatsi

We should show some pity. Only the clearly desperate shoot for stalemate.

Pomp

WJ,

What's my point, that atheism is inconsequential? If so, why are you an atheist?

Because he's not a theist! Next!

Ender

More grounds to believe that Walrus hasn't the foggiest idea what A.J. Ayer said. In his book Language, Truth and Logic, Ayer wrote that 'god': In otherw ords, it is meaningless to say there is a god.

The argument boils down to this:

• If we cannot verify the existence of God empirically, it is meaningless to say there is a god.
• We cannot verify God empirically.
• Therefore, it is meaningless to say there is a God!

Even though the verification principle, which you explicitly do not understand, is too strong, no theist should be running around with such a weapon!

How much further will you shove your foot down your esophagus tract until it comes out of the other end for entertainment purposes?

~WiGGiN~

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hezekiah jones

How many f*cking times does a person have to explain two lines from a book that that tedious nincompoop WJ, who brought it up in the first place, has never even read. That post above this one is like the eleventeenth f*cking time.

WJ

"Because he's not a theist! Next!"

Try again! The semantics game won't save you from the quandary Reasonable got himself into.


Reasonable is not a theist because he doesn't *believe* that God exists. Therefore, atheism is just another epistemic belief system which, is soley based on *others* belief in the Being known as God. And if that word belief is *not* true, then it is purely a default position which in turn can't prove that which you think you know, or believe based on what someone asserts. And further, if that too is also false, as AJ alludes, it's all nonsensical to even discuss. So, which is it oh great wise men, knowers of all?


Girls and boys. Don't let your pants get all up in a twisted gooey ball!

Face up to the truth, you can't use your logic to defend your own default postion 9or whatever it is you believe). You are as bad as the theist who uses impersonal deductive logic to prove/convince everyone that God exists! The best you can say or do is make an assertion that can't be objectively verified (unless of course God physically appears, but that already happened-Christianity). Otherwise, you have to have had a personal relationship with the the Lord God for deduction to even make sense.

Think about this before you all try to argue your case. You all are not thinking about, say, the NT and the parable's that Jesus used with people like yourselves (just as an example here). BTW, why does this truth that other's (theists, Christians like myself, and other religious people) share seem to bother you so? You guys get all emotional over whatever it is you think you know or believe. Ayer seems to be the only true atheist here.


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