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Old 03-16-2002, 05:44 PM   #61
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spin,

I understand you disagree. I've already answered the question though.

I haven't seen that answer. Perhaps you could be troubled to answer it, along with my other questions I recently posed to you.
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Old 03-16-2002, 05:46 PM   #62
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How much is a dictionary?

DO I get to pick whichever dictionary definition of "life" I choose to make you look foolish or would you like to define your own terms?
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Old 03-16-2002, 05:47 PM   #63
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Koy,
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I am asking for a defense of eating plants that doesn't hinge upon assertion, as that can, after all, be used to defend anything.
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I have realised this from your first post Koy.

It is simply not about the subject we of the thread. It is a banale attempt at throwing your responsibilities onto me.

If you don't want to post on the subject, fine.

And how's your research on sentient life forms going?
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Old 03-16-2002, 05:48 PM   #64
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Toto:
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The wide range of food does not include sources with adequate protein to maintain my health.
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Are you asking for a special dispensation or something?

Why is it that I haven't seen too many vegetarians kicking the bucket through their choice?
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Old 03-16-2002, 05:49 PM   #65
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What a shock. Only you have the moral grounds to stand upon, eh?

Typical fundaterian.

How's the assumption of non-sentience going for you?
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Old 03-16-2002, 05:52 PM   #66
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The wide range of food does not include sources with adequate protein to maintain my health.
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Are you asking for a special dispensation or something?

Why is it that I haven't seen too many vegetarians kicking the bucket through their choice?</strong>
You chopped up my quote - I am not the only one who needs to eat meat to stay healthy. Many people have found this.

The reason you don't see too many vegetarians in a state of ill health is that most vegetarians who get to that state figure out something is wrong and start to eat meat again.

I am sure that any statistics showing good health among vegetarians can be explained this way.
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Old 03-16-2002, 06:00 PM   #67
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PB:
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Essentially, you have asserted that you find it unethical to eat animals and asked those of us who disagree for a moral justification of our disagreement. A number of people have provided such justifications to you. You have dismissed each in turn because it does not meet with your personal criteria for morality, which you have not shared with the rest of us.
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I have given a few attempts about morality. Partly: acting morally involves protecting the most sentient lifeforms possible.

PB:
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1) What, to you, does it mean to say that an act is "right" or "wrong?"
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I have been talking about morals. I use normally right and wrong with regard to information.

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2) Why do you think it is "wrong" to kill any sentient being? Please base this answer on your answer to question 1 and be sure to explain why sentience is not an arbitrary criterion you have invented to justify killing and eating innocent plants for the sake of your stomache.
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Are you really not Koy in disguise???

Part of the problem here is that I have answered this, but, morality is firstly about not doing harm, and the attempt to pick up the pieces when this is not possible in such a way as to minimise the harm done.


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3) Why should any of us adopt your answers to 1 and 2 as our own?
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I have not asked anyone to do anything other than provide a moral defence of eating meat (with the proviso that it not be 1) I like it or 2) I can't help it.

If you reject my understanding of morals then you won't adopt my answers. This was not what I was asking you to do though.
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spin:
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No, it means, regarding teeth, that humans are even less well prepared to eat meat.
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tronvillain:
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So, despite not being well prepared to eat meat in terms of teeth, we manage to eat meat relatively easily? Perhaps it has something to do with our ability to use tools and fire
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Mainly knives. Now that's an interesting evolution in itself.
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Toto,

I see you are a wishful thinker in your negative sort of way.
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3) It is not immoral to eat animals.
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