Rima

then all these three gods (with god the father as a God head) , are different Gods , they are not one

are Christians mono - or poly theists

there is no GOD HEAD and GOD underhead
:banghead:

Darth Dane

Jesus (in the NT) has never mentioned his divinity
he has never said I AM GOD , WORSHIP ME

Jesus says "I and my father are One" John 10:30


Gospel of the Holy Twelve

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2. And Jesus answered, Verily before Abraham was I Am.


Jesus has said also that he was One with God but not equal to God.

But he never said worship me.

Gospel of Thomas

(70) Jesus said: If you have gained this within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have this in [you], what you do not have in you [will] kill you.

Definition of God: 1st John 4:7-8. God is Love

The Kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:21

Is it Love Jesus talks about in the saying from Thomas?





DD - Love & Laughter

Doctor X

On the contrary, Mk 14:61-62:

The ego eimi reminds one of "YHWH" as a construct. Both Mt and Lk remove this public acknowledgement.

--J.D.

Darth Dane

Exodus 3

13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you


God's name is "I Am"

Can you say "I Am" without lying?

Am I one with God because I Am?

As God Is so I Am





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Rima

TWSITING WORDS GAMES has just started:

me and my husband are one

last night we went to the restaurant , had dinner , when we checked out , they asked , who will pay : I said:
I and MY HUSBAND are one

that is exactly what Jesus wanted to say in this verse, he wanted to say that he is speaking in the name of his GOD , who had sent him


lets think:
when God speaks of himself : He says: I AM YEHWEH < YOUR ONLY GOD
God has never said : I AND MY SON (JESUS) ARE ONE

but when Jesus speaks of himself : He will say:
WHO SEES ME , he saw the father

I AM THE WAY TO FATHER
I AND FATHER ARE ONE

but Jesus has never said: I AM YOUR GOD , worship me

I mean we can play this twisting words game for years , but the fact is that JESUS has never claimed divinity

I AM or HE IS , or YOU ARE ,capitalized or not , the fact is he has never claimed his divinity
when you read the history of christianity , you will understand(if you are an open minded man) that Jesus`s divinity came too many years after him , his disceples had to modify his message and make him (the mysterious God) , in order for the new religion to be accepted by the polytheistic nations (greek , romans.....)

Darth Dane

I never said he claimed divinity, Jesus just said an obvious fact: I Am or I exist.


Everything shares Is-ness.



Love is the key for Life





DD - Love & Laughter

Amos

Hello Rima and thanks for your response.

You are right, Jesus was not divine and therefore never claimed to be divine. The reason for this is that Christ was born unto Joseph and the new creation was to be called Jesus. In this new creation we have the dual God-man nature with Jesus being the old humanity of Joseph and Christ the new God nature that was reborn unto Joseph. Therefore Jesus asked "who do you say I am" and to this Peter replied with "aren't thou the Christ" etc. and upon this KEEN insight he was given the keys to the kingdom.

So God has no birth and to make himself known only requires that we are reborn because we were already created in his image.

Jesus never was divine and at one time Jesus worshippers were burned at the stake or hunted down as witches. Catholics must to pick up their cross and follow Jesus to their own Calvary.

So we must be followers of Jesus and reject the protestant idea that we must worship Jesus.

The point here is that Mary is just as divine as Christ and therefore knew. Mary is part of Trinity while we are in exile and known to us only as the HS. We will not recognize her as part of the Trinity because she IS divine and therefore send angels our way to help us out. We will first meet Mary at the gates of Purgatory if indeed she was our rebirth mother.

Doctor X

Methinks you embody this rather well:

--J.D.

Amos

Well then just relax because there is a lot more where that came from! The truth is that Mary sends the HS to us humans to keep the Father abreast of what's going on in the world today. We can read about this in Gen.3 where the woman (here called Mary) saw that the TOK (our conscious mind) was good for gaining wisdom and that is precisely the place where we search for the better things of life. If we are successful these goodies will be tied down in the TOL (our soul) where they become strongholds (and therefore tied down) to serve our total being during this life and will be passed on to our descendants for many generations.

Keep in mind here that we are determined creatures who are only free to do with what has been given us and if we do this well more and more will be given to us. I think the parable of the talents comes into play here (whether we like it or not).