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Old 05-30-2003, 02:03 PM   #51
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What’s better? Living sick and weak, or living healthy and strong? I'm sure almost everyone could agree that living healthy and strong is better than living sick and weak, right? Are we ever going to find natural answers by looking into imaginary supernatural worlds? No.


What do you think doctors are doing? They may not exactly be trying to “eliminate” our limitations, but they are trying to find ways for us to work around them. Transhumanism is all about this.
You're still falsely assuming that the purpose of religion is to heal the sick and weak. You're still assuming that it is an alternative to science and medicine. It is not an alternative. Once again, if you understood my muscle car/sports car metaphor, you'd figure this out.

Use that critical thinking you're so fond of.
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Old 05-30-2003, 02:18 PM   #52
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What’s better? Living sick and weak, or living healthy and strong? I'm sure almost everyone could agree that living healthy and strong is better than living sick and weak, right? Are we ever going to find natural answers by looking into imaginary supernatural worlds? No.
Many, many people would say that the supernatural has helped them become healthy and strong when once they were sick and weak.

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What do you think doctors are doing? They may not exactly be trying to “eliminate” our limitations, but they are trying to find ways for us to work around them. Transhumanism is all about this.
I think many doctors are making a pretty penny, and that they are not nearly as concerned with healing the broken as they are with driving the latest and most expensive car or being known as doctors, the ones with life and death in their hands (forgive me for not bowing down in awe). So, no, they are not exactly trying to eliminate our limitations in my mind.

However, this does not address why I should care that limitations (whatever you think they are) should be eliminated, and what progress towards that means. If it simply means that we should all always be healthy and strong, then I am against it--for the simple reason that for future generations to live I must diminsh and disappear.

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”Many, many people would say that the supernatural has helped them become healthy and strong when once they were sick and weak.”
Yeah – but just because they believe that, does that make it true? No amount of belief can turn something into a fact.

Anyhow – it’s a lot easier for most people to believe in a god concept than to understand the complicated science behind quantum mechanics and macroevolution. Aside from the fact that religion is “comforting”, this may be another one of the many irrational reasons why people hold so near-and-dear to religious beliefs.

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” So, no, they are not exactly trying to eliminate our limitations in my mind.”
The ones who are in the field of medical research are. It’s their job. It’s what they get paid for doing.

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” However, this does not address why I should care that limitations (whatever you think they are) should be eliminated, and what progress towards that means.”
One [small] example: You would not get as sick as often. Or do you like getting sick?

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‘If it simply means that we should all always be healthy and strong, then I am against it--for the simple reason that for future generations to live I must diminsh and disappear.”
Why would you have to diminish and disappear for someone else to live?
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