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Old 12-18-2001, 08:27 AM   #11
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Too much verbiage (verbal diarrhoea).
Your option id d
You only added the word emotionally and unethical.
I GAF, but not about tiny details. You were more interested in nitpicking.
But not to worry, you are a d person.
Would you say d best describes your feelings?
No.
You want to know what I would really say?
What I'ld say is:
  • You completely missed two seperate very important points.
    a) You've mixed up - conflated - personal preferences, social prejudices, psychology and ethics.
    b) You're trying to make rhetorical points at the expense of any logic or real thinking.
  • You've also just tried to insult me - and I'm a person who has at least three times defended you personally on this board, and also tried to be friendly to you.

Allow me to add you to my personal list of people who are not actually interested in real analysis, but only in rhetoric, oh, and also have great difficulty in telling their friends from their enemies.

Count me out of this greatly confused poll of yours as being far too time-wasting and pointless.
Shauri lako; bahati mbaya tu.
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Old 12-18-2001, 08:52 AM   #12
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No.
You want to know what I would really say?
What I'ld say is:[list][*]You completely missed two seperate very important points.
a) You've mixed up - conflated - personal preferences, social prejudices, psychology and ethics.
This is true. I have done so for the purposes of simplicity. You are splitting them for the purpose of complexity. I think if someone asks you in the street "do you think bestiality is emotionally disgusting?", You would not launch into splitting his question about whether he would like to know your personal preferences, your social outlook, or psychological point of view. Listen, I admitted I did not mean necrophilia. Yoy could have chosed f. If you felt none of my options desctibed your feelings. That is what f was for. I expected something like this.
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b) You're trying to make rhetorical points at the expense of any logic or real thinking.
When you find a smell to be disgusting, You dont invoke logic to justify why you find a smell offensive (take the smell of Sulphur dioxide for instance) - or the smell of human shit. That is what I wanted here, I did not want logic, I wanted "feelings". If you want logical reasons why people find coprophagy disgusting, feel free to start a new thread. You cant force in an objective I didnt have in this thread. I want feelings. I made that clear.
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[*]You've also just tried to insult me - and I'm a person who has at least three times defended you personally on this board, and also tried to be friendly to you.
Ok, I am sorry you feel offended.(I did not attack your person, how did I insult you?). I am sorry either way and I ask for your forgiveness.
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Allow me to add you to my personal list of people who are not actually interested in real analysis, but only in rhetoric, oh, and also have great difficulty in telling their friends from their enemies.
There are times I am interested in real analysis, and there are times I am interested in peoples feelings.
If you do not like that, I am sorry.
To add to that, I dont care squat about the lists you keep.
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Count me out of this greatly confused poll of yours as being far too time-wasting and pointless.
Shauri lako; bahati mbaya tu. </strong>
Mbona unaita hii poll yangu confusing and pointless? who is confused? I ask you for your feelings, you flood me with social prejudices, sexual preferences, emotional dispositions. psychological evaluations and everything else I did not ask for.
So who is confused?
If we were in court, I could have raised an bjection your honour: non-responsive" - or hostile respondent.
I want your feelings not your reasoning.
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Old 12-18-2001, 09:42 AM   #13
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<strong>I ask you for your feelings, you flood me with social prejudices, sexual preferences, emotional dispositions. psychological evaluations and everything else I did not ask for.</strong>
Actually, you did, since you used the terms "immoral/ disgusting/ perverted". What's worse, you used them as if they were synonymous, making them all three a part of the vote, even if they don't all apply. Those three terms all mean different things, and they all touch upon the issues you claim you didn't ask for.

I'll vote "F", before you go ahead and decide what my vote is for me.
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Old 12-18-2001, 10:12 AM   #14
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As far as what other people do in the privacy of their own house or whatever, I'd have to go with A. It's none of my business.

As far as my own personal preferences go with women I'm with, I'm a BIG fan of anal, so I'd go with D. I've been with more then one<a href="http://www.technicalvirgin.com" target="_blank">Technical Virgin</a> & it's been a blast. Or does that qualify as "too much information"??
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Old 12-18-2001, 10:05 PM   #16
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Since you are using three different classifications, I will break this down...

- Note that these are my opinions.

1. Bestiality is disgusting and somewhat unethical. I'm not sure morality is an issue, since morals have more to do with what humans do to/with each other, not other species. However, as long as I don't have to watch it, have fun... just don't describe it to me later.

2. Necrophilia & Coprophilia are not immoral, but I would empty my stomach rather violently were I to witness it.

3. Anal sex is absolutely not immoral, and it is not disgusting either. I just don't do it because it's uncomfortable.
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Zero AngelYou have picked D
Xayide "immoral/ disgusting / perverted" . The "/" means OR.
so if you feel either of the three, ypu make your pick.
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Old 12-19-2001, 01:42 AM   #18
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Jaliet,

Then I suggest you split option B.

Better yet, free response in under 50 words

[ December 19, 2001: Message edited by: Danielboy ]</p>
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Old 12-19-2001, 02:14 AM   #19
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f. Still, just pick a, b, c, d, or e? Make me.

I pretty much find any form of coprophilia repulsive, but the same isn't necessarily true of all forms of bestiality and necrophilia. Despite this, I'm more likely to be against bestiality (cruel forms) and necrophilia (property rights, disease).

Oh, and from the DSM-IV:
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Fantasies, behaviors, or objects are paraphiliac only when they lead to clinically significant distress or impairment (e.g., are obligatory, result in sexual dysfunction, require participation of nonconsenting individuals, lead to legal complications, interfere with relationships).
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Old 12-19-2001, 06:01 AM   #20
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The problem is that ethics, even ethical subjectivism, is more subtle and complex than taking a poll and outlawing things which most people dislike.

Ethics exist to enable society, that is the cooperation of groups of people for their mutual benefit. At least that what human beings use them for. Obviously we have to define "mutual benefit" subjectively, but there seems to be a fairly clear distinction between "benefit" and "preference".

It is difficult to understand how a person would actually benefit from outlawing anal sex any more than I would benefit from outlawing eating brussel sprouts (which I detest). In other words, when I see someone advocate a moral prohibition or compulsion, I want to see how they benefit from the compulsion, not just that they detest the activity. It seems that if one detests an activity, they can achieve the full benefit possible merely by personally refraining from that activity.
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