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Bible literalists are only such when they can get away with their literalism, like in a historical science of geology and evolution. When it comes to the flat earth and the solid skydome, they know they can't stomach those claims (though there were a few Biblical flat-earthers in the 19th and 20th centuries), so they abandon literalism and say "the Bible doesn't really mean that".

So on the subject of the skydome, I expect the fundamentalist will refer you to an article by Robert Turkel (aka J P Holding) on AiG, called Is the raqiya' a solid dome?

The flat-earth belief of the Bible was abandoned by Christians in favour of the spherical-earth Ptolemaic system in the Middle Ages. The solid skydome was still held, as a stellatum or dome of fixed stars in the outermost crystalline sphere, with waters above, as in Martin Luther's picture of the cosmos:



For a detailed history of flat-earth and spherical-earth beliefs, see the e-book at the Ethical Atheist:

http://www.ethicalatheist.com/docs/f..._myth_ch5.html

Volker.Doormann

There never was designed a universe; there ever was a universe and is.

Not to see any meaning doesn’t mean, that there is no meaning. As one can find a meaning in a freedom from a (‘religious’) bondage - while other doesn’t perceive any (‘religious’) bondage - one can find a meaning in the spiritual order of nature. Each child is able to recognize the discrete ratios of frequencies and whether these ratios are in harmony with the mathematical order of music or in disorder, mostly all can perceive on it. Beyond this most people can perceive the blues and it’s meaning from it’s frequency ratios. And not the physical vibrations as physical forces have a meaning here - No, it is the spiritual existence that is to perceived, which contains the origin meaning of any music.

I think I must not lecture on this art & science, the frequency ratios of the harmonies are well known as ratios of integer values of ratios (Quinte 2:3).

If one is not able to perceive the truth of music, he cannot argue, that the frequency ratios of the 12 notes based on the 12th root of 2 = 1.0595, the order of the 12 different notes are useless.

There is no principal different in perceiving music and perceiving the spirit of the age. There are times of peace and there times of war, and maybe you do remember that Jesus has ask the Jewish scholars, why they are not able to interpret the signs of the time from the sky (Matt 16:3: ” O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?”) .

One can see that p.e. there is a ratio of 3:2 between the Pluto and Neptune cycles (which Musicians call a Quinte) and it seems that the new Planet Quaoar has a resonance of 7:4 with Neptune. Planets have no arbitrary distances from the sun, as one can see in the graph on this URL: doormann.org/planets.htm. There is a monotone function in the distance order of the planets including Quaoar.

It is not the planets, which generate a spirit of the age, the planets are brave slaves of the laws of nature, which do respect these laws. And even though the Asteroids are broken in a lot of single stones, their position in relation to the neighbor planets is respected by all other planets.

Astrologers can perceive the signs of time watching the positions of the planets on the sky, like beings are mostly able to perceive the meaning of music from frequency ratios. This is a science and art for a long time. Each one is born in harmony with these
universal law, to fulfill the laws of justice and Karma. The spirit of an age is building the growing structure in the brain as a stamp, which is as fixed as the DNA structure. It is not to be changed, but it is to be recognized. Some signs can give interpretations about the general target in this life regarding to the actions in prior life’s.

The spiritual laws of nature have an order as well as the laws of physic. No one can create a universe out of nothing, no one can create an atom out of nothing, and this does not limit the freedom of a being to recognize these laws.

There is no mystic in astrology as there is no mystic in music. Nature is in both.

This world is a world of appearance. And only he, who looks after the surface of appearance, can grasp the ‘things’, which are not of physical existence. No one can show natural laws directly, because they have no location and no time, but do exist.

As in a church is no god, but it is a house of stones, planets are stones and have no meaning. It is always the inner consciousness only that can have a relation to spiritual ‘things’. These objects are as all objects only to illuminate with appearance the hidden spiritual laws of love, truth, harmony, order, causality, justice and individuality. Studying the motion of the planets in time, one can interprete the spirit of time, as all ancient people was able.

Volker