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Old 08-17-2003, 10:34 PM   #1
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I'm having mucho fun with this guy that sounds like a great cultist. Wait...isn't that basically what Christianity is? Anyway, have fun reading. If you wish, you can also say what you want to say too.

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1) we need to define which evolution we are talking about here folks... there is only one acceptable form of evolution and thats micro evolution. macro evolution, chemical evolution, cosmic evolution. yea... those are messed up. I mean are you guys thinking... sure species change within their own kind but I wouldnt say we evolved from a rock and yes if you get to the core of the evolutionary theory thats all that junk is. We evolved from a rock. Yea sure....... coming from a rock makes more sense....... -_- god the evolutionary theory is stupid and yes it is more than that organisms change otherwise of course it would be fact.

2) There are no holes in Genesis. I have addressed some of them in the religion post but that was cut short but the likes of you evolutionists who said the religion post wasnt a topic for a debate but just to share what religion you. So if we are to continue this wonderful argument so be it, and youd guys better not stop me. since this is evolution topic i have the right to argue for it or against it which includes using genesis. :-p

3) this is for you religion folks, even catholics who say we could come from animals. Um 1) you arent a true believer without genesis since genesis introduces sin, therefore if genesis is wrong the relgion you associate youself with is wrong. 2) Humans are not animals. This can be answered in the bibl; depsite what your science teacher tells you we are not animals even though we act like them sometimes because a) in Genesis Adam named all of the animals, he didnt himself. I mean if he was an animal he should've been able to name himself since thats what God let him do is to name the animals. b) Man was created in God's image. Mind you know no other creation was made in God's image, therefore we are seperate.




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It makes no sense for every human to be related. One can not even begin to imagine how the offspring is affected by this. If we were to base our exsistence based on the adam and eve theory, then everyone is a product of incest. Yes incest. Infact, if we are all products of adam and eve that means that we have been breeding with a family member. As everyone knows breeding through incest can cause many problems: not being able to reproduce, mutations, stupidity, mental disorder. The whole world would cease to go on with such a population.


1) thered be no one to report them
2) incest wasnt illegal untill years later with moses
3) there is not deformity within the first genetic species.

Besides its the same for evolution isnt it?
There had to be two semi-modern humans to produce a modern human supposedly. and before that they had to come from previous species didn't they? And those had came from the primordial soup so the organism probably had to do itself. Which makes more sense, I am sure... Humans were put here by God and they were more genetically perfect or that we came from a rock, them complex chemicals, then single celled organism, then became a complex organism then alonside apes and finally then modern humans. Um that done make sense, and yes if you look at origin the evolution theory at least cosmic, chemical and macro evolution doesnt make sense because where did the organisms come from? the Soup? then where did that soup come from? then were did the water and molecues that formed the rock and water come from? then where did the universe come from? then where did all matter come from? in fact evolution cant answer these questions lol.
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I'll even post my replies to this guy so you can see the ongoing battle between this humourous character. =0)
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Old 08-18-2003, 02:19 AM   #2
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where did that soup come from? then were did the water and molecues that formed the rock and water come from? then where did the universe come from? then where did all matter come from? in fact evolution cant answer these questions lol
lol :banghead:

Good luck! Sounds like he's got all his info about evolution from anti-evolution fundies.
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Old 08-18-2003, 04:07 AM   #3
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1) we need to define which evolution we are talking about here folks... there is only one acceptable form of evolution and thats micro evolution.
No, they all are.
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macro evolution, chemical evolution, cosmic evolution. yea... those are messed up.
Okay, one of these is actual evolution, the other two are entirely seperate fields that use evolution to describe changes in time--they do NOT mean the theory of evolution by any means. And they are very well documented about what happens in what order.
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I mean are you guys thinking... sure species change within their own kind but I wouldnt say we evolved from a rock and yes if you get to the core of the evolutionary theory thats all that junk is.
No, we didn't. There is no theory anywhere that states that, other than creationist strawmen. Rocks don't factor into it at all.
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We evolved from a rock. Yea sure....... coming from a rock makes more sense....... -_- god the evolutionary theory is stupid and yes it is more than that organisms change otherwise of course it would be fact.
No, it ISN"T more than organisms change. That's what the theory of evolution is. LOOK IT UP. Stellar evolution is just the stages that stars go through from birth to death. "Life" cycle would be more appropriate. I have no lcue as to what he means by chemical evolution.
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2) There are no holes in Genesis.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which account is correct then--I or II?
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I have addressed some of them in the religion post but that was cut short but the likes of you evolutionists who said the religion post wasnt a topic for a debate but just to share what religion you. So if we are to continue this wonderful argument so be it, and youd guys better not stop me. since this is evolution topic i have the right to argue for it or against it which includes using genesis. :-p
Go right ahead--however, Genesis I and II differ in the order of creation, and with the facts as described by science.
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3) this is for you religion folks, even catholics who say we could come from animals. Um 1) you arent a true believer without genesis since genesis introduces sin, therefore if genesis is wrong the relgion you associate youself with is wrong.
And the true scotsman fallacy introduces itself! Besides, do you really need to eat an apple to see how fucked up man is? Look around you! We have corporations stealing from their employees, poisoning the environment, and fucking over the common man. The common man, in turn, aspires to be a corporate man! This is JUST in the US/Western World. Look at China, Congo (hell, Africa), the Middle East, etc. Man is nothing if not wicked--he doesn't need to eat an apple to find a way to harm his fellow man over the slightest differences between themselves. The first Christians murdered each other over how holy Jesus was!
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2) Humans are not animals.
We ARE animals. A very social, very intelligent one, but animals nonetheless. We exhibit the exact same behavioral patterns, share 99% of our DNA with a few animals, and are indeed classified under the kingdom of Animalia. Tha makes us animals.
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This can be answered in the bibl; depsite what your science teacher tells you we are not animals even though we act like them sometimes because a) in Genesis Adam named all of the animals, he didnt himself.
Adam wasn't real.
The Bible is not a science textbook. Hares don't chew their cud, despite what Leviticus says.
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I mean if he was an animal he should've been able to name himself since thats what God let him do is to name the animals. b) Man was created in God's image. Mind you know no other creation was made in God's image, therefore we are seperate.
No, man wasn't created. There is ample evidence to the contrary of this. You have to provide actual evidence that we were created ex nihilo (or some dirt) rather than run to the bible, which is only believed because it's the Word of God--and we know it's the word of God because it says so.
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1) thered be no one to report them
Who the hell cares? It's still incest.
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2) incest wasnt illegal untill years later with moses
Well, according to the Bible, God never changes. Mosiac law would have to be a change then to the way God operated--but this cannot be, since God does not change. Looks like it was always wrong.
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3) there is not deformity within the first genetic species.
Prove it.
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Besides its the same for evolution isnt it?
There had to be two semi-modern humans to produce a modern human supposedly.
Actually, there was a group of them--populations evolve, NOT individuals. There wasn't a "first" man, so to speak--there was afirst group, but that is all we can really say.
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and before that they had to come from previous species didn't they? And those had came from the primordial soup so the organism probably had to do itself.
Which bacteria do all the time. There are different types of reproduction, you know.
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Which makes more sense, I am sure... Humans were put here by God and they were more genetically perfect
Sickle cell anemia.
Cystic fibrosis.
Asthma
Down's syndrome.
Three genetic diseases, all passed straight onto a kid at random. This kid hasn't even been born yet, and he's already screwed over. What a good guy god is.
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or that we came from a rock,
Nice strawman. Too bad he isn't scaring off any of the crows.
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them complex chemicals, then single celled organism, then became a complex organism then alonside apes and finally then modern humans. Um that done make sense, and yes if you look at origin the evolution theory at least cosmic, chemical and macro evolution doesnt make sense because where did the organisms come from? the Soup?
The soup isn't a great name for it, but you could say that.
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then where did that soup come from?
Naturally occuring/synthesizing chemicals in earth's early days/
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then were did the water and molecues that formed the rock and water come from?
Back in the early solar system, this stuff was all hanging around, gradually coalescing by force of gravity. Water was in there, as were many basic elements. We know this is the case becasue we can see water and other elements in pre-solar nebulae.
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then where did the universe come from?
This isn't evolution at all--it's cosmology. And we aren't exactly sure--all we know is that at time t=0, it started. Where could be nowhere.
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then where did all matter come from?
Since the universe is defined by matter, all you need to answer is the origin of the universe. But this is a red herring anyhow. The theory of evolution is completely independent of the origins of the universe--you needn't know how the universe began to see how it has been operating ina very small portion for the last x years. You can observe NYC today without reading the entire world history from day one and have no problems with your observations, right?
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in fact evolution cant answer these questions lol.
Where did God come from?
Why can he come from there/pre-exist but nothing else can?
Can you objectively prove genesis at all? You know, with evidence other than the Bible?
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Old 08-18-2003, 04:15 AM   #4
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We evolved from a rock. Yea sure....... coming from a rock makes more sense.......


Never mind the factual mistake ... but is the Biblical theory any better? Created from dust any better than "evolving from a rock" (or from "pond scum", as Sarfati loves saying)?

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2) There are no holes in Genesis.


There are holes in Genesis beginning from Page One, and all the way forward. Here are just two:

1. Sun and moon are described as "two great lights". Fact: neither is very great, and only one is really a light.

2. The only races accounted for in Genesis are the Semites (Shem), North Africans (Ham) and Europeans (Japheth). Chinese, Amerindians and Australians, to name just a few, are missing.

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1) you arent a true believer without genesis since genesis introduces sin, therefore if genesis is wrong the relgion you associate youself with is wrong.


I personally agree with him, but the Pope doesn't, and neither do mainline Protestants.

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b) Man was created in God's image. Mind you know no other creation was made in God's image, therefore we are seperate.


Reverse, you fool, reverse! God was created in man's image.

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and yes if you look at origin the evolution theory at least cosmic, chemical and macro evolution doesnt make sense because where did the organisms come from? the Soup? then where did that soup come from? then were did the water and molecues that formed the rock and water come from? then where did the universe come from? then where did all matter come from? in fact evolution cant answer these questions lol.


We settled for "goddidit" as an answer for over 2000 years. Now it's time for science to have its say.
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Old 08-18-2003, 04:28 AM   #5
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EVolution can't tell us where the universe came form? Imagine my horror at this discovery. Next they'll be telling us I can't use quantum theory to work out what to have for dinner, it must be wrong!!!!
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Old 08-18-2003, 06:03 AM   #6
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1) we need to define which evolution we are talking about here folks... there is only one acceptable form of evolution and thats micro evolution. macro evolution, chemical evolution, cosmic evolution. yea... those are messed up.
Chemical and cosmic evolution are so seriously flawed, NO evolutionist will even discuss them!

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I mean are you guys thinking... sure species change within their own kind but I wouldnt say we evolved from a rock and yes if you get to the core of the evolutionary theory thats all that junk is. We evolved from a rock. Yea sure....... coming from a rock makes more sense....... -_-
If he thinks this argument is sound, he should agree that Christianity says we're nothing but dirt- no different from the dirt that animals roll around in, trample all over, and dump excretion on. Gee- not only are we seperate from animals, we're not even AS GOOD as animals!

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god the evolutionary theory is stupid and yes it is more than that organisms change otherwise of course it would be fact.
Evolution doesn't just say that organisms change over time- it also tells us to worship Satan and sodomize ourselves!

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2) There are no holes in Genesis.
Correct. The holes came later, so the water could fall through the firmament and kill everyone on Earth.

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3) this is for you religion folks, even catholics who say we could come from animals.
Because of course those god-hating Catholics are the only Christians who believe in evolution.

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Um 1) you arent a true believer without genesis since genesis introduces sin, therefore if genesis is wrong the relgion you associate youself with is wrong.
Hey man, Genesis is wrong! Well, now that that's over with, let's get the live baby and the carrion-scented candles ready for the Atheist Initiation Ceremony.

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2) Humans are not animals.
Correct. The Bible tells us to "be fruitful and multiply." Since only plants can bear fruit, humans are actually plants.

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a) in Genesis Adam named all of the animals, he didnt himself. I mean if he was an animal he should've been able to name himself since thats what God let him do is to name the animals.
God already gave him a name, "man." Do you REALLY think Adam was going to tell God that "man" was a sucky name?

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b) Man was created in God's image. Mind you know no other creation was made in God's image, therefore we are seperate.
For example, we have the ability to invent gods.

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1) thered be no one to report them
This just in- birth defects do not occur until incest has been reported to the proper authorities!

Reported to who, anyway? God? He's pretty damn retarded if he didn't even realize that populating the entire Earth from two people would involve incest.

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2) incest wasnt illegal untill years later with moses

So the fact that it was outlawed is the REAL reason that it causes birth defects?

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3) there is not deformity within the first genetic species.

The first genetic species? Once we track it down, we'll let you know how deformed it is.

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Besides its the same for evolution isnt it?
There had to be two semi-modern humans to produce a modern human supposedly.
No, all you need is a rock.

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and before that they had to come from previous species didn't they?
Rocks are not limited by our primitive notions of cause and effect. Rocks have ALWAYS existed.
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Old 08-18-2003, 08:59 AM   #7
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Correct. The Bible tells us to "be fruitful and multiply." Since only plants can bear fruit, humans are actually plants.
I'm going to have to remember that one.
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Old 08-18-2003, 09:18 AM   #8
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Chemical and cosmic evolution are so seriously flawed, NO evolutionist will even discuss them!
Heh heh, I thought this was serious at first...gotta get away from the fundie sites.
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