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Goliath · 05-01-2003, 07:19 AM

Vinnie,

If you have sunk to the level of 3rd grade and 8th grade humor (and I don't entirely consider it a bad thing that I didn't get your moronic 8th grade humor), then it would appear that you have conceded your argument, and there is nothing left to discuss in this thread.

Oh, and regarding this quote:

Quote:

So Goliath is arguing like a typical, close minded fundamentalist Christian?

It would be impossible for me to do that, since I do not believe that the xian god exists.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Vinnie · 05-01-2003, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Goliath
Vinnie,

If you have sunk to the level of 3rd grade and 8th grade humor (and I don't entirely consider it a bad thing that I didn't get your moronic 8th grade humor), then it would appear that you have conceded your argument, and there is nothing left to discuss in this thread.

Oh, and regarding this quote:

It would be impossible for me to do that, since I do not believe that the xian god exists.

Sincerely,

Goliath

What did you think of my cookie? I baked itmyself!

Vinnie

Goliath · 05-01-2003, 09:19 AM

Vinnie,

Concession accepted.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Vinnie · 05-01-2003, 09:48 AM

Watch out! That cookie might give you the munchies

You can't eat just one

Vinnie

Opera Nut · 05-18-2003, 09:31 PM

Hell, I know a horny bastard that is BLIND!!! He was BORN without optic nerves,so he can't see anything!! That doesn't prevent him from lusting! When I met him and hugged him slightly, he practically raped me in front of my boyfriend!!!

Don't need eyeballs to lust, you guys!!

Hawkingfan · 05-19-2003, 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi
Not to mention the fact that Jesus has arbitrarily created a new "sin" that never before existed: "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart," so that the context of the whole makes even less curative sense.

Looking at another woman "lustfully" is not a sin in the slightest (outside of the authors of the christian mythology, of course), so the "sin" that is punishable by being thrown into hell does not exist, but, regardless, does not in any way help the person from looking lustfully upon other women, an arguably dire problem for a married man (or woman ).

In other words, the person in Matthew who asks the solution to a serious problem is met instead with "stop it or you'll be punished eternally in the fires of hell that are the second death."

That isn't "help;" that's a threat for non-compliance to a revision of Judaic law.

I think that this revision that Jesus made is one of the most idiotic things he ever did. The point is obviously what Koy is saying, that the solution is to stop the urge by a threat. But didn't Jesus realize this problem--if one finds himself lusting for a woman, he has now ALREADY committed adultery, it WOULDN'T BE ANY WORSE to actually commit the ACT of adultery, so the man MAY AS WELL DO IT! So therefore, it now gives a reason to do the actual act instead of refraining from doing so! That would cause quite an outbreak of the act of adultery, since lust is one of the most natural urges in man.

Radcliffe Emerson · 05-19-2003, 03:02 PM

It's well known now the passage from Josephus has been inserted at a later date, not written by Josephus at all.
Yet he does write that the countryside was full of people claiming to be Messiahs.
No contemporary non-Christian writer from Jesus' time and region makes any mention of him at all, none.
Kind of odd when the bible claims his fame spread throughout the land.

And Paul is dubious at best. All we have about his experience is his word. I could make claims like that too.

Paul to me, was the world's first tv evangelist type, going around living off of others, not having to work for a living.

I suspect the Jesus myth was derived from several figures, not just one person.
The parallels between attributes of Jesus and earlier pagan myths are well known too. (for example, the Hindu trinity)
And do you know (or care) why the Jews never accepted Jesus as the messiah?
Because the attributes given him in the New Testament are not even Jewish, they're Greek!
The Jewish messianic concept was (and is), their will be TWO messiahs simultaneously, they will usher in world peace the FIRST time they arrive, and NEITHER of them are divine.
Of course this doesn't matter to people who want to believe the Christian myth.
I also suspect to some extent the early Christian writings that were later voted into the bible were merely attacks on Judaism even then.
To me, the NT and Jesus in general are extremely anti-Semitic.

Here is a website that lists parallels between this myth and earlier ones.

http://www.fabrisia.com/crucifixion.htm

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05-01-2003, 09:19 AM	#83
Goliath Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Fargo, ND, USA Posts: 1,849	Vinnie, Concession accepted. Sincerely, Goliath

05-01-2003, 09:48 AM	#84
Vinnie Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Waterbury, Ct, Usa Posts: 6,523	Watch out! That cookie might give you the munchies You can't eat just one Vinnie

05-18-2003, 09:31 PM	#85
Opera Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,671	Hell, I know a horny bastard that is BLIND!!! He was BORN without optic nerves,so he can't see anything!! That doesn't prevent him from lusting! When I met him and hugged him slightly, he practically raped me in front of my boyfriend!!! Don't need eyeballs to lust, you guys!!

05-19-2003, 03:02 PM	#87
Radcliffe Emerson Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the dark side of Mars Posts: 1,309	It's well known now the passage from Josephus has been inserted at a later date, not written by Josephus at all. Yet he does write that the countryside was full of people claiming to be Messiahs. No contemporary non-Christian writer from Jesus' time and region makes any mention of him at all, none. Kind of odd when the bible claims his fame spread throughout the land. And Paul is dubious at best. All we have about his experience is his word. I could make claims like that too. Paul to me, was the world's first tv evangelist type, going around living off of others, not having to work for a living. I suspect the Jesus myth was derived from several figures, not just one person. The parallels between attributes of Jesus and earlier pagan myths are well known too. (for example, the Hindu trinity) And do you know (or care) why the Jews never accepted Jesus as the messiah? Because the attributes given him in the New Testament are not even Jewish, they're Greek! The Jewish messianic concept was (and is), their will be TWO messiahs simultaneously, they will usher in world peace the FIRST time they arrive, and NEITHER of them are divine. Of course this doesn't matter to people who want to believe the Christian myth. I also suspect to some extent the early Christian writings that were later voted into the bible were merely attacks on Judaism even then. To me, the NT and Jesus in general are extremely anti-Semitic. Here is a website that lists parallels between this myth and earlier ones. http://www.fabrisia.com/crucifixion.htm

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