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Radorth · 04-08-2003, 09:18 AM

Spurly, I'm not sure if I did confuse you with kctan after a review. It was he who called "your god" bloodthirsty, and I was saying I don't think he was getting your point.

Rad

winstonjen · 04-08-2003, 01:56 PM

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No, I specifically said being old does not mean you are necessarily wise, but rather you cannot be young and be wise.

Well, that's an unfair assumption in favour of older people.

Since when does age automatically give someone an advantage in the wisdom department?

Rhea · 04-08-2003, 05:31 PM

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No, I specifically said being old does not mean you are necessarily wise, but rather you cannot be young and be wise.

Good grief. That's an olympic-caliber blunder. I have known many people who were wise while still young. (not me, of course. I'm still not wise) Not "most" certainly, but enough to know that you have firmly delared yourself as the first part of your statement.

Wow, it takes both monumental arrogance and narrow minded ignorance simulataneously to make such a statement.

spurly · 04-08-2003, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by Radorth
Spurly, I'm not sure if I did confuse you with kctan after a review. It was he who called "your god" bloodthirsty, and I was saying I don't think he was getting your point.

Rad

Okay, I was just confused there for a while.

Kevin

kctan · 04-09-2003, 07:31 AM

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Ah, the old standby. When all else fails, bring up the bad works of Christians if you can't find any logical arguments to present.

Nevertheless, I answer that given the minimal and retroactive requirement of simple repentance and faith, I suspect most of them are. One is not held reponsible for ignorance.

It's quite apparent the persecuters were unaware of Jesus' teachings about uprooting tares. These abuses miraculously stopped when Bible toting "fundies" started protesting, beginning with Luther who insisted Christian heretics be burned "only with the scriptures." You can't take that away from him, in spite of his other faults. It was a Protestant English government outlawed slavery, witch trials, etc. It was the Bible-totin' Quakers who first came out, at great risk to their persons, against American slavery in 1680. Of course some enlightened skeptics, like Jefferson, ignored them entirely. But you'll still give Voltaire or some other non-Christians the credit. (if you can think of any)

Rad

You suspect most of them are but how accurate is your suspect ?According to the bible, which all favors of xianity uses, none of them actually are saved if you go by each favors interpretation.

Edited to add,

Why just pick one point to address ? There's still a couple or so IIRC.

Radorth · 04-09-2003, 08:51 AM

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Wow, it takes both monumental arrogance and narrow minded ignorance simulataneously to make such a statement.

Blah blah blah. It's not like I was picking on Christians or non-Christians in particular.

Well OK, give me an example of a 25 year old who everybody agrees was wise. They are so rare as to be virtually non-existent. You might say Mark Twain and I might say Oswald Chambers, but I imagine they themselves would say they wised up with age. It's all in how you define it and your personal opinion, at best.

Rad

Rhea · 04-09-2003, 09:34 AM

Where did the christian/non christians thing come from? I thought we were talking about age.

Name one? Are you kidding? You mean they have to be famous to be wise?

Yes, I suppose it depends how you define it. You seem to have come up with a definition that includes you and very few others. Whatever.

I define wise as someone who is contemplative, and can combine kindness and forethought and safety and compassion. Add a dose of experience and a dash of education. Someone who can see many sides of an issue, and _understand_ things s/he doesn't agree on. Someone who thinks things through.

I have met 8 year olds facing death by cancer who have embraced learning and yearning and compassion and yes, they are wise.

~shrug~ your definition is different. That's fine.

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04-08-2003, 09:18 AM	#51
Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	Spurly, I'm not sure if I did confuse you with kctan after a review. It was he who called "your god" bloodthirsty, and I was saying I don't think he was getting your point. Rad

04-09-2003, 09:34 AM	#57
Rhea Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Recluse Posts: 9,040	Where did the christian/non christians thing come from? I thought we were talking about age. Name one? Are you kidding? You mean they have to be famous to be wise? Yes, I suppose it depends how you define it. You seem to have come up with a definition that includes you and very few others. Whatever. I define wise as someone who is contemplative, and can combine kindness and forethought and safety and compassion. Add a dose of experience and a dash of education. Someone who can see many sides of an issue, and _understand_ things s/he doesn't agree on. Someone who thinks things through. I have met 8 year olds facing death by cancer who have embraced learning and yearning and compassion and yes, they are wise. ~shrug~ your definition is different. That's fine.

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