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Buffman · 02-02-2003, 09:11 PM

Just as long as you don't post inaccurate propaganda.

Even though a person has the "right" to use a private forum to practice speech which is not backed by verifiable evidence, that does not mean that they will not be challenged when they do.

Radorth · 02-02-2003, 09:30 PM

You see what I mean.

Rad

Buffman · 02-03-2003, 02:00 AM

Quite honestly...No! I do not know what you mean. I haven't understood your purpose since the first time you started posting your supernaturalist beliefs on the Sec Web no matter how hard I have tried to gain any manner of understanding of or respect for your motivations.

I would enjoy reading your opinions on why you have chosen to be a participating member at the rate you have. I understand that you believe in a supernatural God and some manifestation of this God in the person you call Jesus. However, it seems that yours is a very selective belief based on your personal interpretations of an ancient tome whose origins remain very much in question in light of modern analysis/scholarship.

I have asked you several times why some ancient writings were declared divinely inspired and others were not. I have also asked you who made these decisions and why. You have never chosen to respond to those questions with any kind of verifiable evidence...including all those you recently made in BC&A. Perhaps the fact that many folks have had to resort to pointing out some of your presentation quirks is the fact that you seldom present meaningful content in your myriad posts.

These are merely my observations, although based on your public history, I suspect you will attempt to label them as something else.

Sabine Grant · 02-03-2003, 04:08 AM

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Originally posted by wiploc
My interest in god is defensive. I'll be interested in any god whose followers make him a problem for me. Since I live in Kansas, you can guess who that's gonna be. It's not the deists who slashed my tires. It's not the Jews who are usurping my government. It's not the Buddists who --- you get the idea.

crc

" not the Jews who are usurping my government".... that comment gave me a chill down my spine as it echoes the same type of ideology which polluted already Europe in the Middle Age as Jews were stereotyped and regarded as the money handlers, loaners, users etc.. ideology which was propelled into pan germanism which led to the Third Reich.

Asha'man · 02-03-2003, 05:02 AM

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Originally posted by Sabine Grant
" not the Jews who are usurping my government".... that comment gave me a chill down my spine as it echoes the same type of ideology which polluted already Europe in the Middle Age as Jews were stereotyped and regarded as the money handlers, loaners, users etc...

I think you misread that sentance. Jews are not usurping the government in the US. Christians are, specifically the religious right within the republican party.

At least, that's how I read it, and that's how I think it was intended.

Wiploc · 02-03-2003, 06:56 AM

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Originally posted by Asha'man
I think you misread that sentance. Jews are not usurping the government in the US. Christians are, specifically the religious right within the republican party.

At least, that's how I read it, and that's how I think it was intended.

Bingo!
crc

BadBadBad · 02-03-2003, 09:16 AM

I have run across a related article from Chad Docterman: Why the Christian God is Impossible This article focuses on Christian and biblical definitions of God. There is a definition of God. Chad Docterman introduces the definition as follows.

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Christians have endowed their God with all of the following attributes: He is eternal, all-powerful, and created everything. He created all the laws of nature and can change anything by an act of will. He is all-good, all-loving, and perfectly just. He is a personal God who experiences all of the emotions a human does. He is all-knowing. He sees everything past and future.

God's creation was originally perfect, but humans, by disobeying him, brought imperfection into the world. Humans are evil and sinful, and must suffer in this world because of their sinfulness. God gives humans the opportunity to accept forgiveness for their sin, and all who do will be rewarded with eternal bliss in heaven, but while they are on earth, they must suffer for his sake. All humans who choose not to accept this forgiveness must go to hell and be tormented for eternity.

These attributes of God are related by the Bible, which Christians believe to be the perfect and true Word of God. One verse which many Christians are fond of quoting says that atheists are fools. I intend to show that the above concepts of God are completely incompatible, and reveal the impossibility of all of them being held simultaneously by the same being. There is no foolishness in denying the impossible. Foolishness is worshipping an impossible God.

I think if you read his article you can get a good understanding of why many people don't believe in the Christian definition of God. He concludes the article with this useful quote:

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The existence of Yahweh is as impossible as the existence of cubic spheres or invisible pink unicorns. While believers may find comfort in being faithful to impossibilities, there is no greater satisfaction than a clear mind. You may choose to serve an impossible God. I will choose reality.

Radorth · 02-03-2003, 09:23 AM

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You have never chosen to respond to those questions with any kind of verifiable evidence...including all those you recently made in BC&A.

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These are merely my observations, although based on your public history, I suspect you will attempt to label them as something else.

Oh no. I definitely think these are your own personal observations. As usual you provide no examples, quotes, etc, just the usual assertions for your loyal choir. Not that you ever quoted me correctly or completely anyway. In fact you simply do exactly what you claim I do.

But then it took you two months to admit you misrepresented (a kind word I think) my contributions, so I don't expect much.

Rad

Sabine Grant · 02-03-2003, 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by Asha'man
I think you misread that sentance. Jews are not usurping the government in the US. Christians are, specifically the religious right within the republican party.

At least, that's how I read it, and that's how I think it was intended.

.... Whether it targets jews or anyone else, it still refers to a generalization which feeds prejudicial thinking similar to the ideology I mentionned.... it is dangerous to incriminate an entire group of individuals.

My response was not intended to read that the author meant that " Jews are usurpators". My response was to point to the dangers of prejudicial thinking.

Buffman · 02-03-2003, 03:50 PM

Rad

I was in need of another laugh! Thank you!

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02-02-2003, 09:11 PM	#321
Buffman Beloved Deceased Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: central Florida Posts: 3,546	Just as long as you don't post inaccurate propaganda. Even though a person has the "right" to use a private forum to practice speech which is not backed by verifiable evidence, that does not mean that they will not be challenged when they do.

02-02-2003, 09:30 PM	#322
Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	You see what I mean. Rad

02-03-2003, 02:00 AM	#323
Buffman Beloved Deceased Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: central Florida Posts: 3,546	Quite honestly...No! I do not know what you mean. I haven't understood your purpose since the first time you started posting your supernaturalist beliefs on the Sec Web no matter how hard I have tried to gain any manner of understanding of or respect for your motivations. I would enjoy reading your opinions on why you have chosen to be a participating member at the rate you have. I understand that you believe in a supernatural God and some manifestation of this God in the person you call Jesus. However, it seems that yours is a very selective belief based on your personal interpretations of an ancient tome whose origins remain very much in question in light of modern analysis/scholarship. I have asked you several times why some ancient writings were declared divinely inspired and others were not. I have also asked you who made these decisions and why. You have never chosen to respond to those questions with any kind of verifiable evidence...including all those you recently made in BC&A. Perhaps the fact that many folks have had to resort to pointing out some of your presentation quirks is the fact that you seldom present meaningful content in your myriad posts. These are merely my observations, although based on your public history, I suspect you will attempt to label them as something else.

02-03-2003, 03:50 PM	#330
Buffman Beloved Deceased Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: central Florida Posts: 3,546	Rad I was in need of another laugh! Thank you!

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