mark9950

When you can accuse anyone to be a witch and the death penalty is given with or without the trial.

But the trail was if you are thrown into water and drown you are not a witch.if you are thrown and float you are a witch and face a fiery death.

I guess only in christianity.

Magus55

Christians never claimed to be perfect. Its no worse than Stalin killing 20 million people and being an atheist. Maybe he did it to promote humanism.... Until atheists become perfect, you are a hypocrite for criticizing some christians for doing the wrong things, and no one else.

Mageth

Originally posted by Magus55
Christians never claimed to be perfect.

But you claim your God to be perfect, and in the Bible God commands the Israelites, in Exodus 22:18:

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

So it seems the imperfection in Christians that you refer to is built-in, commanded by God actually. So what is a perfect god doing giving what you apparently consider an "imperfect" command?

Its no worse than Stalin killing 20 million people and being an atheist. Maybe he did it to promote humanism....

Oh, wonderful argument there, Magus. Christianity is no worse than one of the most despotic, ruthless, bloody, murdering dictators in history. Maybe you should recommend that for the Church Sign next Sunday. That ought to win a few converts.

Until atheists become perfect, you are a hypocrite for criticizing some christians for doing the wrong things, and no one else.

Last I checked, Atheists around here have criticized a lot more than just Christians for doing wrong things. Did you by chance see the threads where Totalinariast was singing the praises of Stalin?

And Atheists make no claim to being perfect, and claim no need to be perfect. Jesus, in the Bible, however, commands you to be just that:

Matthew 5:48 - Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

So I think we're justified in criticizing Christians/Christianity for not being perfect; after all, their exalted leader commanded them to, and I assume he too would criticize them for not being perfect as he commanded.

So, if anyone here is being hypocritical, it would appear to be you, Magus. Your god commanded you to be perfect, and your god commanded you to kill witches. Go figure that one out.

winstonjen

Stalin did it to promote Communism. Atheists don't claim to be perfect, but in the gospels it does say "Be therefore perfect, as your father in heaven is perfect."

And why don't you start answering some points in the "Genetic Flaws and Christians" thread, Magus?

Magus55

Yes, we strive to be perfect like God, doesn't mean we come anywhere close. And atheists do seem to think they are better than everyone else in the world. I seem to recall a quote saying anyone who believes in God is less intelligent than those who don't ( or something to that effect). Atheists absolutely think they are better than everyone else. You think you have the entire world figured out, and know the answer to every perplexing question, hence why you speak of God not existing incessantly, with the attitude of fact, instead of belief. You know for a fact that God doesn't exist, you know for a fact humans evolved from sludge and apes, you know for a fact the world is 5 billion years old, you know for a fact that the bible is completely wrong and one huge myth. Sounds like you think you know more than everyone else to me.


And, care to explain to me the point of answering questions on the Genetic flaws thread? Only reason you want me to post there is so you can come up with some sarcastic, mocking remark against me. You don't actually care about what I have to say - so why bother?

Magus55

The point was, if you base all your generalizations of a group of people on things some of them did, then we should just consider all atheists as bad as Stalin, since he followed the same beliefs ( or lack thereof) that you do.

How do you know witches didn't actually cast real magic 3000 years ago? The Pharaoh's priests copied some of God's plagues in Exodus, so magic apparently existed. Witchcraft and Sorcery is from Satan, hence why 3000 years ago, it was a crime punishable by death. Witchcraft was pure evil. Since you didn't live 3000 years ago, how can you base the laws of the past on present day life? Do you believe the witches in Salem actually casted real spells and magic? You have absolutely no idea what life was like during Exodus, so stop making generalizations based on 3000 year old laws that don't necessarily apply to today.

winstonjen

Where have you heard or read about atheists claiming that. Evidence, please? Or do you merely wish to spout continuous ad hominems and sarcastic insults towards atheists?


Right. You have just conceded defeat. If I didn't care about what you said, why would I try to correct you? We have refuted your 'claims', and you have done nothing. You lose.

And why pick on me and my sarcasm? Am I the only one, or the easiest target?

sodium

What about 500 years ago? Were witches possibly still casting spells during the period between the establishment of Christianity and the Enlightenment? Was hunting witches a reasonable governmental policy under the circumstances? Under what conditions would you consider a witch hunt justified today?

Magus55

Do you deny that Atheists constantly state as a fact, that God doesn't exist and the Bible is a myth? Mageth does it constantly, as does Biff.

winstonjen

The god of the bible does not exist, and the bible is a myth. That I agree with - the evidence supports that view. The only thing supporting your view is blind dogma.

Atheists lack a belief in a particular deity - there could be others not described in your Big Book of Lies (TM). The bible is a propaganda tool used to control people. That is all it is.