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AJ113 · 07-25-2003, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by Rational BAC
I am not afraid of death. As an agnostic I was not afraid of death. As a believer I still am not afraid of death.

I can understand that if I was the type who actually believed in a fire and brimstone hell, then I would be terribly afraid that somehow I would not measure up (eye of a needle and the camel thing and the part about doing to the least of man equals doing to Christ) and find myself in such a God awful place.

It is so difficult, if not unattainable to be a "good" Christian. I mean if you look at all the things we are supposed to do Biblically to get there---there is probably only one or two people in heaven right now.

(But then again, there is always the hope that God grades on a curve. )

The worst, in my opinion, that would happen is non-existence. Not really afraid of that. Never have been. Why would I be afraid of non-existence? Wouldn't know when it happened anyway in order to have anything to be afraid of.

You really need to get off this "fear is the basis for all Christianity" thing. I am sure that is true for some Christians-- Certainly is not true for me.

Not that I would not prefer an eternal heaven with the best nookie, the best food and drink and the best entertainment imaginable along with all the wonderful spiritual percs available-----------to an eternity of non-existence.

But that just has to do with preference---not fear.

Great, so you're not scared of death. Now, how about answering the question?

Bumble Bee Tuna · 07-25-2003, 06:35 PM

It has nothing to do with math. The Argument from Numers is a blatant logical fallacy, and even if it were valid logic would work against you. This is what I demonstrated to you. I appreciate that you're admitting defeat here, but at the same time you're making excuses and acting like you're right but you're just not capable of demonstrating it.

It's silly. You lost the argument because your position was wrong. Not because you're not good at math. Not for any other excuse you drag out. You were wrong and you've admitted it. The end.

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One of these days I will come up with a very rational and unassailable argument to justify my core beliefs-----

Your beliefs still wouldn't be rational. Your magic reason to believe that you're searching for obviously isn't the actual reason you believe, since it currently doesn't exist. You believe through faith, and if you developed an argument to try to reason out your beliefs it would just be a sham so that you could pretend you believe for rational reasons.

-B

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