Albion

There are also groups like the Raelians who are creationists but of the "an extraterrestrial intelligence did it" variety. These are the ones I assume the ID supporters mean when they try to deny that ID has religious connotations, because some groups think the designer was a space alien.

WinAce

... "Brain damage in sector 9. Parry tad a widdle bam, its piece was right as blow... 2+2=5.5x3.14..."

*Brain explodes*

Umm, carry on.

mibby529

I can see why ID types wouldn't want to be associated with advocates of human cloning.

What IS the difference between ID and creationism, anyway?

Coragyps

To the best of my knowledge, ID enthusiasts try a little harder to avoid mentioning god when discussing their beliefs. They also are frequently not young-earthers, where most of the strident creationists are.

edited to add: PugA, the link in your first post above is very interesting! A pretty good psychological profile of why creationists think that way, IMHO.

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Pugilist Atheist

The most interesting thing is how American YECs are so willing to cozy up to Islamic creationists.

If I can find the link that goes into more detail about the Marxist rhetoric of Islamic creationism, I'll post it; it's equally interesting.

m.e.h.

I'd love to see a neo-pagenish Norse mythology creationist. What a lovely bit of reading that would be.

Bubba

Interestingly, in the department which I work it is the religious people who believe in evolution of all things. We have a charaismatic Christian, an evangelical Christian, a Catholic, a rather conservative Mormon, a Jew and a few people with wierd diest type beliefs who are vocal in their belief in evolution. Of course the three athiests in our department support it as well.

The people who believe in creation are generally people who were taught it in sunday school when they were seven and haven't been to church since they were twelve...

Go figure

Anyways, it was rather interesting when our Mormon took his wife to a museum of natural history (when they were dating) to show her that dinosuars actually existed. She never really truely trusted her ultra fundy Mormon parents again, and I think it made her question things a little, which was good.

But since I have become interested in evolution I am finding that the majority of people who are creationist have never studied the issue much at all. Like my other co-workers it's usually a remnant of their upbringing.

So I guess you could say that many people are non christian creationists because they've never really thought about the issue and aren't that religious themselves.

Bubba

mibby529

@m.e.h.:
Here's one, rebuffed totally. Notice how the original author makes the argument from ignorance from the beginning, just like creationists.

<a href="http://www.bluecorncomics.com/kenwick1.htm" target="_blank">http://www.bluecorncomics.com/kenwick1.htm</a>

And here's one from the AFA's official site:

<a href="http://www.runestone.org/km2.html" target="_blank">http://www.runestone.org/km2.html</a>

They actually think they were in the Americas before the Indians. LOL IMO, the only thing on Kennewick man which doesn't look NDN is the nose.

That's actually the most moderate neopagan Norse creationist site. Others tend to be like Stormfront.

Of course, Indians simply mention the real Indian skeletons found in the Netherlands dated to about 60 BC. Or we'll mention Germanic stories of brown-skinned people with big ears. Then they shut up.

Albion

Quoted from that NCSE article:

"With some vigilance, our homegrown creationism should not become more than the major nuisance it already is. In Turkey, there is a real possibility that we will find out what happens to science when creationists actually succeed."

I don't know whether that sounds more interesting than terrifying or vice versa. But as it develops along its own path, it's going to undermine the ICR claim that Bible-based young-Earth creationism is the only alternative to evolution. Wonder if they thought of that while falling over themselves to encourage their Islamic opposite numbers.

Kevin Dorner

Bumping up this month-old topic because I accidentally bumped into <a href="http://www.islamonline.net/English/Science/2002/08/article03.shtml" target="_blank">this Harun Yahya article</a>. Standard use of selective mis/partial quotes, overdramatization... (ooh! Darwinism is collapsing again! Scientific materialism collapsed too!) and plain old grade-Z bull.

Thing is, this is an almost mainstream Islamic site. They also figured out a way to get plenty of page views as they <a href="http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/news/world/3936531.htm" target="_blank">claim to have a Bin Laden letter</a>. I wonder how far creationism has gone in the rest of the Islamic world. If it becomes a de facto Islamic standard, what will the U.S. YEC Christians do?