NHGH

I seem to recall having a similar go-round with yguy a few weeks ago on the gay-marriage thread, which he dragged pedophilia into as well.

This entire thread constitutes evidence of a need to extend Godwin's Law to cover pointless references to pedophilia or child molestation.

NHGH

Should advocates of the right to overeat then be required to expressly disclaim advocacy of pedophilia, too?

cpickett

Homosexual rights come down to the fact that if they are both consenting adults, you don't have the right to tell them where they can stick what. However pedophilia is different in that it involves children, who cannot consent to something of that nature, also it is almost always without thier consent.

Fr. Andrew is merely saying that it's sometimes doesn't affect the child badly, but I certainly haven't seen where he condones it, nor links it to homosexuality.

trillian

I actually agree that not all child-adult sex results in harm to the child.

HOWEVER, pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger also does not always cause harm to the person you're shooting.

Sometimes you miss, sometimes you hurt them, and sometimes they die. But it is always not a good idea. Some behaviors are just too risky to allow at all.

Perhaps pedophiles think Russian Roulette for children is a fun, safe party game (most of them don't get hurt after all!).

I know Fr. Andrew isn't condoning it and this isn't even his thread so...

Yguy, what's your point then- it seems that you have a preconcieved link which isn't really there. If we all back you against pedophiles does that make you happier about homosexuals? I don't get it.

trillian

Loren Pechtel

Isn't it obvious? Both are the acts of perverts. Therefore, perverts do both of them.

Ronin

Originally posted by Philosoft ~

Very true.

yguy, please review these extensive threads on this topic:

Man-boy love

Man-boy love thread conclusion

Cygnus

35 and 7

...and the infamous ~

A sex question

As you can see, Fr.Andrew's claims and assertions were rationally addressed and soundly refuted, yet he will continue to persist in promoting this nonsense:

...and anyone else who does not agree with Fr.Andrew.

and...

I'm sure glad the IIDB has the search function back in order again...for the refutations of Fr.Andrew's claims still apply and now I'll not have to go over the same old BS with the guy.

~ Over and out.

Daleth

If his point is that children should not be expected to feel bad and should not have painful feelings foised on them by therapists trying to cure symptoms which don't exist, but the adults should still be treated as responsible for a criminal act, then I agree completely. However I really don't know what his point is, which is why I haven't much to say about it. In all the things I've read from him in the past on this subject, he never seems to make his point plain, so I tend to be suspicious.

yguy

He, of course, would never posit such a link explicitly. He is, however, a proponent of homosexual rights, the argument for which amounts to this:

It was once accepted that the earth was flat.

We now know that the earth not flat.

It was once accepted that homosexuality was wrong.

We now "know" that homosexuality is not wrong.

Hence, the justification for homosexuality being legitimized is as veridical as the justification for our collective perception that the earth is not flat.

Of course any myth considered to have been exposed by science can be substituted.

And the logic of advocates of pedophilia is no different.

Pleas Dal, don't be deliberately <removed by moderator>

<Please yguy, don't be a jerk - Michael>

dangin

The one thing that kills me about the Rind study is that it doesn't seem to take into account that a lot of sex abuse is at the hands of family members. (who were also sexually abused in every case that I know of). So on top of the sexual abuse, you have, incest, and destruction of trust. Then add on people making it worse by covering it up, getting hysterical, or flat out being in denial.

I know too many women who were sexually abused by their fathers, (and how fucked up they are for years) to buy any of this apologetic bullshit, particularly when it seems to pretend that all these abused people who see no harm in it were abused by someone other than a "trusted" adult or family member.

Daleth

I'm not. If advocating for gay rights is linked to advocating pedophilia because both anre non-traditional, then advocating against hitting kids as a means of correction is linked the same way.