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SULPHUR · 04-12-2003, 04:27 AM

when a few countries get together and realise that some unusual is happening in our atmosphere that shouldn't I get worried.As for the smoke it is unusual that it has never occured to that degree before from normal conditions.Do we let these little things keep happening or realise that these conditions are not normal.
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nermal · 04-12-2003, 04:53 AM

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when a few countries get together and realise that some unusual is happening in our atmosphere that shouldn't I get worried.

When one can't find the line separating politics and science, I get worried. My skepticism isn't limited to religion.

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As for the smoke it is unusual that it has never occured to that degree before from normal conditions.

Never is a very long time. Prior to "forest management" practices in the U.S., fires were frequent, and large. When European settlers increased the population in the west, thereby increasing the frequency of the stupid people/great fire conditions combination, the number and size of fires increased.
There is no reason to believe that events like the recent one you describe haven't happened in the past. There were just no satellites to photo it, or communication technology to know in real time how far the smoke spread.

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Do we let these little things keep happening or realise that these conditions are not normal.

Don't know what normal is. The climate is a dynamic system, it changes. Is this change any different than previous changes? I don't know, and I haven't seen any preponderance of evidence to say anyone else knows. I am, however, always willing to be convinced, on this, or anything else.

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SULPHUR · 04-12-2003, 05:07 AM

I don't know how long the fishermen of south america have been keeping records about the fish catches associated with ocean currents but it is having a devastating effect in australia. With the rising sea level it is going to have a swamping effect on many countries in oceana. Who mentioned politics?

RoddyM · 04-12-2003, 07:04 AM

I've got some thoughts Jesse but I can't prove what I know more than you.

These are my thoughts. There are a billion factors, some cyclical, some not, some sinusoidal, some not that make us suffer the weather. Sorry but that's the way it is.

It is sad to see that people will even use the weather as a means of subjugation.

SULPHUR · 04-12-2003, 08:09 AM

Could you explain that please.

RoddyM · 04-12-2003, 08:28 AM

SULPHUR, if you are talking to me it's 0130 in Melbourne. If you are asking me to explain:

Global warming is much of a concern as FMD, SARS or AIDS. An artifact of "concern" to some people, nothing more.

Jesse · 04-12-2003, 08:34 AM

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I've got some thoughts Jesse but I can't prove what I know more than you.

But I don't claim to "know" anything, I genuinely have no idea to what extent global warming is caused by human activity. It almost sounds like you're saying that you know for certain that it's caused by a "billion" other factors and that anyone who argues the evidence might point to human causes is just trying to "use the weather as a means of subjugation". Is the case totally closed for you? You wouldn't acknowledge any serious possibility that human activity might be the main cause of the current warming trend?

SULPHUR · 04-12-2003, 08:43 AM

Edited to remove totally unnecessary insult

SULPHUR · 04-12-2003, 08:56 AM

I assume you failed geography. Probably when you were discussing Aristotles golden mean.

RoddyM · 04-12-2003, 08:59 AM

Hey SULPHUR, I thought I was identifying my post as being a reply to yours. Time of day does not equate to pomp or lack thereof.

04-12-2003, 04:27 AM	#11
SULPHUR Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: hobart,tasmania Posts: 551	kyato protocol when a few countries get together and realise that some unusual is happening in our atmosphere that shouldn't I get worried.As for the smoke it is unusual that it has never occured to that degree before from normal conditions.Do we let these little things keep happening or realise that these conditions are not normal. the cat comic strip nermal the the kitten

04-12-2003, 05:07 AM	#13
SULPHUR Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: hobart,tasmania Posts: 551	el nino I don't know how long the fishermen of south america have been keeping records about the fish catches associated with ocean currents but it is having a devastating effect in australia. With the rising sea level it is going to have a swamping effect on many countries in oceana. Who mentioned politics?

04-12-2003, 08:43 AM	#18
SULPHUR Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: hobart,tasmania Posts: 551	aest Edited to remove totally unnecessary insult

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04-12-2003, 07:04 AM	#14
RoddyM Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 183	I've got some thoughts Jesse but I can't prove what I know more than you. These are my thoughts. There are a billion factors, some cyclical, some not, some sinusoidal, some not that make us suffer the weather. Sorry but that's the way it is. It is sad to see that people will even use the weather as a means of subjugation.

04-12-2003, 08:09 AM	#15
SULPHUR Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: hobart,tasmania Posts: 551	Could you explain that please.

04-12-2003, 08:28 AM	#16
RoddyM Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 183	SULPHUR, if you are talking to me it's 0130 in Melbourne. If you are asking me to explain: Global warming is much of a concern as FMD, SARS or AIDS. An artifact of "concern" to some people, nothing more.

04-12-2003, 08:56 AM	#19
SULPHUR Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: hobart,tasmania Posts: 551	I assume you failed geography. Probably when you were discussing Aristotles golden mean.

04-12-2003, 08:59 AM	#20
RoddyM Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 183	Hey SULPHUR, I thought I was identifying my post as being a reply to yours. Time of day does not equate to pomp or lack thereof.

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