stewbster

Just a little tought experiment... Even if we had a creator which i still see as a posibbilty does that mean that the Creator is God???

I don't think so.. but i would like to hear what the others have to say on this....

stu

Mr Diabolical

What definition of "god" are you using here? Do you mean the standard Christian version, or one of a Deist type? (Or something else entirely?)

David Bowden

I can imagine an unconscious organism self-organizing out of the fallout from a meta-universal disaster, one of its waste-products being universes like ours. If that's not god, but if it is the creator of this universe, then my answer has to be that this creator is not god. A lack of willpower would seem to undermine most traditional god-concepts.

Of course I can also imagine Brahma and Zeus, and I can imagine Teilhard's post-traditional Christian Omega-God, etc. But the evidence for special creation is nil, while the evidence for existence is fairly obvious. So I can imagine that the universe we experience(*) is not created, but merely existent - it's more parsimonious than any 'god' theory of which I'm aware.

It's a worthwhile and fun thought experiment. Wasn't Einstein famous for similar thought-experiments?

-Wanderer

(* - or its 'parent' system - I'm not a physicist but I vaguely recall skimming an article mentioning 'branes and dimensions higher than four in Analog recently.)

RJS

If someone believes in a Creator of all we know - ourselves, the Earth, 100 billion galaxies - yet refuses to claim such entity is a "God", I feel sorry for such individual. Let down your pride and misguided sense of self-sufficiency and admit it.

Typhon

If someone believes that we need a Creator for all we know, ourselves, the Earth, 100 billion galaxies – and furthermore claims such entity is a “God”, I feel sorry for such an individual. Let go your fear and misguided sense of self-importance and admit it.

Sorry, could not resist. Humor aside, admit what?

If there was a Prime Cause, that “caused” everything, but wasn’t even knowable or concerned in a way we could say anything about, would this be a creator? It certainly isn't the Abrahamic god myth we all know from our popular Western fables.

If there was a Creator of all we know, why would we not call this Brahma? Or Allah? Or Bob, Creator-of-All?

.T.

If god exists, I want a restraining order.

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Liquidrage

Since you capitolize "God" then very easily, no.
A creator does not need to be "God".
Although if "God" exists he has to be the creator.

Even when talking about "a god" and not "God", the creator doesn't have to be a god.

Vic

Theism accepts the existence of a "kick-starter".
Atheism does not.
If the religious have their pet phrase "In the beginning god created ...", what is the pet phrase used by atheists?
Can any one of the latter belief complete the following sentence:
"In the beginning ........................."

Liquidrage

A better way of saying that might be
Theists believe in the existence of a "kick-starter".
Atheists do not.

"In the beinning" is currently an unknown.

Vic

Does that mean you are prepared to accept the possibility of a "kick-starter"?

Foxhole Atheist

In the beginning there was no time and no space.

Someone care to take it from there?