Seraphim

by hinduwoman

Seraphim, in India everything is expressed through the medium of religion, including erotic poetry!

Hmm ... sounds like you and I in two different world.
In my world, everything is expressed through one's action, including faith.
And you don't need religion for erotic poetry either ... you only need another loving person to hold you

So when they decided not to accept Brahmanical authority, they simply created a new religion and a new myth: they are descended from the gods, the brahmins from sheep.

One lies to cover another lies doesn't make it the truth.
Brahmins, by their own egos tells what is false and you add another false notion to counter that.

Nope, I do not accept any sacred authority, but that is because I do not believe. People who want to believe will find another source of sacred authority.

God never looked at humans with different views, He looks at everyone the same.

Discard religious belief which is not accordance to what God says (and I don't remember Him telling Hindus to spread themselves thin like butter on a bread) and choose what to believe.
Choice is yours ... not in hands of some Brahmin.

Biff the unclean

Damn, my irony meter has pegged out again. I'm going to have to get one with larger settings if I'm going to read this board.
One lies to cover another lies doesn't make it the truth. …Discard religious belief which is not accordance to what God says
Seraphin, unless you can reach off stage and pull him in, like Woody Allen did with Marshall McLuhan in Annie Hall then you have the same evidence for your God that the Balarami do. As for mixing two religions together to form a third…what's so strange about that? Where did you think Serapis or the Hecate came from? How do you think a monotheistic/Semitic God like Yahweh could suddenly become triune and neo-Platonic?

Seraphim

by Biff the unclean

Seraphin, unless you can reach off stage and pull him in, like Woody Allen did with Marshall McLuhan in Annie Hall then you have the same evidence for your God that the Balarami do.

No exactly ... my evidence is in my conducts and how I live my life. I find my answers not in my own religion but also in other philosophies, other religions and other sources including Science.

In another words ... I do pull things in from off the stage, since the stage is what you could say your beliefs is and off stage is simply something which makes sense but outside your belief.

As for mixing two religions together to form a third…what's so strange about that? Where did you think Serapis or the Hecate came from? How do you think a monotheistic/Semitic God like Yahweh could suddenly become triune and neo-Platonic?

Not sure about Serapis or Hecate or Yahweh becoming Triune, etc but for me, what is strange in this is the fact that How are they (those who mix this up and create a new religion) going to coup with life?

Both Hindus and Christianity already have problem handling their lives separately, how are they going to face life together? Example is Reincarnation and concept of Hell. Hindusm beliefs in Reincarnation, Christianity doesn't. Hindusm Hell is short period of time while Christianity is for eternity. There are other concepts also which they supposed to iron out and I couldn't help wondering how they going to do that.

Trying to find answers and they found more questions ... :banghead:

Biff the unclean

my evidence is in my conducts and how I live my life.
Your evidence of what exactly? A God? Your mother's teaching? What? Do you think believing in a God makes the way you behave better than, let's say, my behavior because I lack belief?
I do pull things in from off the stage,…
In Annie Hall what was pulled on scene was the person the characters were discussing. Unless you can produce God Almighty then you are just posturing.

what is strange in this is the fact that How are they (those who mix this up and create a new religion) going to coup with life?
What's so hard about that? Gods don't really help you cope with life. If they did then Theists would cope better than Atheists, and that is simply not the case.

Hindusm beliefs in Reincarnation, Christianity doesn't.
Most Christians did when the religion first started, or so I've read. Being "born again" was thought to be more than metaphore.
Hindusm Hell is short period of time while Christianity is for eternity.
Short time Xian Hell is called Purgatory. Not a big stretch.
There are other concepts also which they supposed to iron out and I couldn't help wondering how they going to do that.
If you mix (Papal) Bull shit with sacred cow shit you still are left with a pile of bovine shit.
Mix one lie with another lie and you still have a lie.

hinduwoman

Seraphim,
Like you that is what the Balaramis feel too, that God had told their founder this story.

The Balaramis created their new religion precisely so that they can cope.

Hey, if they could come up with a story that Adam is Kali's son, doctrines should not be a problem. For example there were some missionaries who became weird, to say the least, after prolonged exposure to natives. The insisted that Hinduism is true as far as it goes but that Christianity is its fulfillment; they managed to believe that the line of avatars logically culminate in Christ. Today some Indian Christians work backwards by speaking of the Adwaitya experience of Christianity. And you are quibbling over finer doctrinal points?

Seraphim

by Biff the unclean

Your evidence of what exactly? A God? Your mother's teaching? What? Do you think believing in a God makes the way you behave better than, let's say, my behavior because I lack belief?

Evidence of my understanding of my life, world and the people around me.
To ask question is human nature, to seek answers is human nature as well, God's nature is just to push us in the right direction.

In Annie Hall what was pulled on scene was the person the characters were discussing. Unless you can produce God Almighty then you are just posturing.

And how will you know God even if I show Him to you?
Do you know yourself first, much less God?

What's so hard about that? Gods don't really help you cope with life. If they did then Theists would cope better than Atheists, and that is simply not the case.

Wrong ... God/Gods don't help us to LIVE our lives. Don't expect someone else to live for you.

You have to live your life yourself, they are just behind you to see whether you don't fall down and even if you did fall, they will give you a helping hand (in term of faith) to lift you up.

To me, Theist and Atheist has no difference to them, only one has faith in God which will help them up and another has faith in themselves. Which is stronger ... you decide.

Short time Xian Hell is called Purgatory. Not a big stretch.
There are other concepts also which they supposed to iron out and I couldn't help wondering how they going to do that.
If you mix (Papal) Bull shit with sacred cow shit you still are left with a pile of bovine shit.
Mix one lie with another lie and you still have a lie.

Yet ... it is the cow shit used as manuerve (wrong term here?) in some part of the world to grow plants and vegetables

Human nature to find goodness even in what appears to be evil ... maybe that's why God still like Humans so much. Me? I rather He wipe everything of the Planet and start something cuter


by hinduwoman

Like you that is what the Balaramis feel too, that God had told their founder this story.

The Balaramis created their new religion precisely so that they can cope.

I guess coping with problems is important as keeping faith ... hmmm.
I couldn't help wondering whether the problem they trying to cope will dissappear with their method of coping ... namely the Brahmic authorities over them.

Hey, if they could come up with a story that Adam is Kali's son, doctrines should not be a problem. For example there were some missionaries who became weird, to say the least, after prolonged exposure to natives. The insisted that Hinduism is true as far as it goes but that Christianity is its fulfillment; they managed to believe that the line of avatars logically culminate in Christ. Today some Indian Christians work backwards by speaking of the Adwaitya experience of Christianity.

I guess it is not my place to judge others. Afterall, I'm not even there. Maybe we are in a two different world.

Tell me something ... Christian improves with mixture of Hindusm in it? Couldn't help wondering about that.

And you are quibbling over finer doctrinal points?

What to do? I'm a simpleton ... I'd take everything as simple as possible, even Life and Death.

Darth Dane

Nope, I do not accept any sacred authority, but that is because I do not believe. People who want to believe will find another source of sacred authority.

What about you? Are you not a sacred authority?






DD - Love Spliff

hinduwoman

The new religion probably made them feel better about themselves. [shrug].

Well once christianity gets mixed with Hinduism both parties stop insulting one another so that is a plus.
Only problem is that some evangelists have seized upon these arguments to prove why hindus should convert.

hinduwoman

Now that you mention it, possbly.
I can be an avatar ignorant of my divinity, you know.
So bow down; if I am wrong what have you lost? If I am right you go to heaven. So :notworthy

Seraphim

by hinduwoman

The new religion probably made them feel better about themselves. [shrug].

O_o ... a religion just to make one feel good about him/her self?
Oh well ... anything goes I guess.

Well once christianity gets mixed with Hinduism both parties stop insulting one another so that is a plus.

Good.

Only problem is that some evangelists have seized upon these arguments to prove why hindus should convert.

Not Good.