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tronvillain · 03-12-2002, 07:34 PM

spin: A cannibal eats its own species, so a cannibal alien wouldn't attempt to eat a human. Get it?

x-member · 03-12-2002, 07:34 PM

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"Bring on the cannibal aliens!!!! They won't be eating me because they're cannibals and since they're aliens they're not human."

Sorry, but I can't unpack anything meaningful from these sentences

Let me help.

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can�ni�bal Pronunciation Key (kn-bl)
n. An animal that feeds on others of its own kind

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alien

\Al"ien\, a. [OF. alien, L. alienus, fr. alius another; properly, therefore, belonging to another. See Else.] 1. Not belonging to the same country, land, or government, or to the citizens or subjects thereof; foreign; as, alien subjects, enemies, property, shores.

2. Wholly different in nature; foreign; adverse; inconsistent (with); incongruous; -- followed by from or sometimes by to; as, principles alien from our religion.

Okay, I'll grant you that your aliens may be human. If that is the case, I might be worried if they are cannibals. However, I think (since they are from outerspace) that they are not human. I'm therefore unconcern by whether or not they eat their own kind.

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This is called pitching down to the audience.

Must be a superiority thing.

Jon

[ March 12, 2002: Message edited by: Jon Up North ]</p>

spin · 03-12-2002, 07:37 PM

spin: "The sarcasm is appreciated (a little), but the thought has as much depth as a Britney Spears song."

mac t. younger: "Just playing to the audience. That would be you."

Right.

spin: "So, you don't mind condoning the slaughter of animals for the sake of your appetite -- there is no need for you to eat meat -- the arbitrary killing of a sentient being for no other reason than your dietary habit."

mac t. younger: "I don't define cows as sentient. Your definition may differ. You are not an authority."

If the Oxford English Dictionary defines sentient: "n. A person or thing capable of perception by the senses; the sentient, that which has sensation or feeling." I don't have to be an authority, but you have to justify your non-standard use of the term "sentient".

spin: "Great, when the first wave of highly intelligent cannibal aliens land to eat you, you won't mind them arguing as you do above, will you?"

mac t. younger: "What was that you were saying about sarcastic, intellectually shallow arguments? You're not even wetting my toenails with this one. "

You have some difficulty separating sarcasm from shallowness. You did not attempt to analyse the analogy I provided, which is reflected in your subsequent comment. I see a lack the irony to appreciate your own logical self-betrayal.

PJPSYCO · 03-12-2002, 07:38 PM

Ah, the potato, equivilent to cutting out someones digestive tract and eating it.

If cows are getting equal rights then I say tofu as well. Let's see how the vegatarians like it when their primary food source says stop eating their children.

Off the fun part, and to the serious.

I have to ask. I have respect for everything I eat both plant and animal, do you punkersluta?

I relise that it's life has ended so that I may go on. It is the fate of the heterotroph (must consume other living beings to survive). Perhaps it is just that I look at things at the cellular and chemical level, and can see how similar I am to the oak tree in the yard.

x-member · 03-12-2002, 07:41 PM

Spin.. in order to make your messages a little more readable, try using the following UBB formating devices.

When you want to quote something,

Quote:

like this

put the word quote in square brackets. eg (quote) -but with the square brackets next to the letter P on the keyboard.

When you are finished with the quote use (/quote) -again with square brackets- at the end of it.

Thanks

[ March 12, 2002: Message edited by: Jon Up North ]</p>

spin · 03-12-2002, 07:42 PM

Jon: 'Bring on the cannibal aliens!!!! They won't be eating me because they're cannibals and since they're aliens they're not human."'

spin: "Sorry, but I can't unpack anything meaningful from these sentences"

Jon: "Let me help.

can�ni�bal Pronunciation Key (kn-bl)
n. An animal that feeds on others of its own kind"

You do have a point there. Naturally to us a cannibal is someone who eats humans, but you know what I meant so stop crapping on!

Jon: "Okay, I'll grant you that your aliens may be human. If that is the case, I might be worried if they are cannibals. However, I think (since they are from outerspace) that they are not human. I'm therefore unconcern by whether or not they eat their own kind."

More sophistry. A typical meat eater's avoidance of looking at their own lack of morality.

spin: "This is called pitching down to the audience."

Jon: "Must be a superiority thing."

Is that a problem for you?

Mad Kally · 03-12-2002, 07:43 PM

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posted by spin:
You have some difficulty separating sarcasm from shallowness. You did not attempt to analyse the analogy I provided, which is reflected in your subsequent comment. I see a lack the irony to appreciate your own logical self-betrayal.

Why is it that every time someone starts a topic like this, the vegans go completely nuts?

Surely you can do better than having space aliens eat us, ya think?

x-member · 03-12-2002, 07:44 PM

Sorry guys, I didn't notice the bridge, I didn't see the troll underneath.

Jon

spin · 03-12-2002, 07:47 PM

PJPSYCO: "If cows are getting equal rights then I say tofu as well. Let's see how the vegatarians like it when their primary food source says stop eating their children."

If tofu gets equal rights then I guess PJPSYCOs should as well. Sentient beings.

tronvillain · 03-12-2002, 07:49 PM

echidna:

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1. Presumably you care enough not to want the animal to experience unnecessary pain. Is this in some ways a double standard ? That you care not to want them to suffer, but not enough to stop the actual killing ?

It's only a double standard because you left "unecessarily" out of the second sentence.

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2. Various levels of animal consciousness can be roughly equated with various forms of (generally severe) human mental disability. How do then morally make the distinction to protect one and not the other ?

I'd say that they're getting by on the mechanisms responsible for our behavior towards average humans.

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03-12-2002, 07:34 PM	#91
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	spin: A cannibal eats its own species, so a cannibal alien wouldn't attempt to eat a human. Get it?

03-12-2002, 07:37 PM	#93
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	spin: "The sarcasm is appreciated (a little), but the thought has as much depth as a Britney Spears song." mac t. younger: "Just playing to the audience. That would be you." Right. spin: "So, you don't mind condoning the slaughter of animals for the sake of your appetite -- there is no need for you to eat meat -- the arbitrary killing of a sentient being for no other reason than your dietary habit." mac t. younger: "I don't define cows as sentient. Your definition may differ. You are not an authority." If the Oxford English Dictionary defines sentient: "n. A person or thing capable of perception by the senses; the sentient, that which has sensation or feeling." I don't have to be an authority, but you have to justify your non-standard use of the term "sentient". spin: "Great, when the first wave of highly intelligent cannibal aliens land to eat you, you won't mind them arguing as you do above, will you?" mac t. younger: "What was that you were saying about sarcastic, intellectually shallow arguments? You're not even wetting my toenails with this one. " You have some difficulty separating sarcasm from shallowness. You did not attempt to analyse the analogy I provided, which is reflected in your subsequent comment. I see a lack the irony to appreciate your own logical self-betrayal.

03-12-2002, 07:38 PM	#94
PJPSYCO Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rolla, Missouri Posts: 830	Ah, the potato, equivilent to cutting out someones digestive tract and eating it. If cows are getting equal rights then I say tofu as well. Let's see how the vegatarians like it when their primary food source says stop eating their children. Off the fun part, and to the serious. I have to ask. I have respect for everything I eat both plant and animal, do you punkersluta? I relise that it's life has ended so that I may go on. It is the fate of the heterotroph (must consume other living beings to survive). Perhaps it is just that I look at things at the cellular and chemical level, and can see how similar I am to the oak tree in the yard.

03-12-2002, 07:42 PM	#96
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	Jon: 'Bring on the cannibal aliens!!!! They won't be eating me because they're cannibals and since they're aliens they're not human."' spin: "Sorry, but I can't unpack anything meaningful from these sentences" Jon: "Let me help. can�ni�bal Pronunciation Key (kn-bl) n. An animal that feeds on others of its own kind" You do have a point there. Naturally to us a cannibal is someone who eats humans, but you know what I meant so stop crapping on! Jon: "Okay, I'll grant you that your aliens may be human. If that is the case, I might be worried if they are cannibals. However, I think (since they are from outerspace) that they are not human. I'm therefore unconcern by whether or not they eat their own kind." More sophistry. A typical meat eater's avoidance of looking at their own lack of morality. spin: "This is called pitching down to the audience." Jon: "Must be a superiority thing." Is that a problem for you?

03-12-2002, 07:44 PM	#98
x-member Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: free Posts: 123	Sorry guys, I didn't notice the bridge, I didn't see the troll underneath. Jon

03-12-2002, 07:47 PM	#99
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	PJPSYCO: "If cows are getting equal rights then I say tofu as well. Let's see how the vegatarians like it when their primary food source says stop eating their children." If tofu gets equal rights then I guess PJPSYCOs should as well. Sentient beings.

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