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01-08-2003, 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by Keith Russell
Greetings:

Again, the Bible clearly states that 'God' creates evil, and there are numerous claims that certain 'evil spirits' were 'sent by 'God''.

Keith.

Evil only exists in our conscious mind.
God is not part of our consious mind.
God is not part of evil.

Sin only exists in our conscious mind.
God is not part of our conscious mind.
God is not part of sin.

The law is needed for the conviction of sin.
All laws are made by religion.
Sin is a relious concept and has nothing to do with God.

thetoastman · 01-12-2003, 02:56 AM

I think this is a great question.

I mean, obviously no one tempted the devil. But why did he rebel? That's the question.

In thinking about God and the problem of evil, it makes sense to me that humans (Adam, specifically) are the cause of disorder and inappropriateness... but then I thought, "Adam disobeyed (partly) because a serpant induced him to. Who the hell induced the serpant!?"

Yeah, Satan, assuming he exists, is a bastard.

the toastman

hinduwoman · 01-14-2003, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by Selsaral
Similarly, he designed human beings to be exceedingly religious, thereby destroying his goal of having people believe in him and go to heaven. The vast majority of people who go to hell aren't bad people or atheists who deny that he exists, it is extremely devout humans who are so excessively religious and devoted to their own non-christian religion that they could never convert to christianity.

He means that God created religiousminded people. Because they were so religious minded, they were devoted to their non-christian religions. So they refused to reject them in favour of christianity. But man can be saved only through christ. Thus these too religious people are going to hell.
So God shot himself in the foot by creating men this way.

ELECTROGOD · 01-30-2003, 12:11 PM

Here, I'll give an oar to this drifting boat.
"god" doesn't exist and evil doesn't exist (most of this discussion is based on assumptions of god) but for the sake of answering the question (who tempts the devil?) let's just go back to the source of this nonsense...the Christian bible. "god" tempted Satan to tempt Job. So, "god" can and does tempt the devil (according to the bible)...unless the bible is somehow...wrong/incorrect/containing errors?

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01-12-2003, 02:56 AM	#52
thetoastman Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: La Mirada, SoCAL Posts: 11	I think this is a great question. I mean, obviously no one tempted the devil. But why did he rebel? That's the question. In thinking about God and the problem of evil, it makes sense to me that humans (Adam, specifically) are the cause of disorder and inappropriateness... but then I thought, "Adam disobeyed (partly) because a serpant induced him to. Who the hell induced the serpant!?" Yeah, Satan, assuming he exists, is a bastard. the toastman

01-30-2003, 12:11 PM	#54
ELECTROGOD Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: GR, MI USA Posts: 4,009	Here, I'll give an oar to this drifting boat. "god" doesn't exist and evil doesn't exist (most of this discussion is based on assumptions of god) but for the sake of answering the question (who tempts the devil?) let's just go back to the source of this nonsense...the Christian bible. "god" tempted Satan to tempt Job. So, "god" can and does tempt the devil (according to the bible)...unless the bible is somehow...wrong/incorrect/containing errors?

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