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Old 11-27-2006, 02:35 PM   #11
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Message to Gamera: You said that God is exceeding merciful. Upon what evidence do you base your assertion? ?
I exist and can contemplate your question.

That's proof positive considering the alternative.
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I exist and can contemplate your question.

That's proof positive considering the alternative.
If you mean proof positive that God is exceeding merciful in this life, many suffering terminally ill people who want to die disagree with you. Assisted suicide is legal in Oregon, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Switzerland, and it continues to gain acceptance in many parts of the world every year. The late Vincent Humbert lived in France. He was quadriplegic, blind, and mute. He asked then President Chirac for an exemption to the French law that prohibits assisted suicide. Chirac refused. An unknown person mercifully killed Humbert at his own request. If you were in Chirac's condition, would you want to go on living?

One million people died of starvation in the Irish Potato Famine, most of whom were Christians, and many of whom must have asked God for food, but to no avail. It is probable that some of those Christians did not believe that God is exceeding merciful, and that some of them gave up Christianity because God refused to provide them with food. In the KJV, James says that if a man refuses to provide a hungry person with food, he is vain, and his faith is dead. That indicates that God is a hypocrite. If feeding hungry people is a worthy goal, it is a worthy goal for humans AND for God.

If you mean that God will be exceeding merciful in the next life, if God exists, no one knows how merciful he will be in the next life. Some Scriptures indicate that the afterlife will be very unpleasant for skeptics. The Bible says that God endorses eternal punishment without parole. That is not exceedingly merciful. If mercy is anything, it is forgoing eternal punishment without parole even when justice, in this case God's justice, requires it.

A loving God would be concerned with peoples' spiritual AND tangible needs, not just their spiritual needs. Love that is limited to providing people with spiritual needs is not love at all. Many of the followers of other religions will tell you that their Gods meet their spiritual needs quite nicely. You have said that what matters most in this life is being loving. Many non-Christians are loving, and their words and deeds prove it. For instance, some non-Christian police officers would risk their lives to save your life. Ghandi said that he loved his enemies, and that he forgave them.

If God does not exist, it is to be expected that today, tangible benefits would be distributed entirely at random according to the laws of physics, and that the only benefits that anyone could ask God for and expect to receive would be subjective spiritual benefits. It appears that that is the case. If God exists, he could not possibly have anything to lose by deliberately withholding information that many people would accept if they were aware of it. If you developed a cure for cancer, if you were able to immediately distribute it to everyone in the world who had cancer, you probably would. Do you believe that letting everyone know about the Gospel message is more important than discovering a cure for cancer and providing the cure to everyone who has cancer? If so, why doesn't God share your enthusiasm? In the first century, why do you suppose that God discriminated against people who lived in China and had no access to the Gospel message? We already know that God discriminates against amputees.

The best conclusion is that God does not exist. If he does not exist, it is to be expected that the Gospel message would be spread entirely by the prevailing means of communication, transportation, printing, and translation. That is exactly what has happened, at least as far as we know. Kosmin and Lachman wrote a book that is titled 'One Nation Under God'. The authors provide a lot of documented research that shows that in the U.S., the chief factors that determine religious beliefs are geography, family, race, ethnicity, gender, and age. Those factors are entirely secular, and exactly what is to be expected if God does not exist. If he does exist, he has obviously gone out of his way to make it appear that he does not exist.

Logically, the more that entirely secular factors are involved regarding the spreading of the Gospel message, and the distribution of tangible benefits, the less likely it is that God exists, at least that a loving God exists.
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If you mean proof positive that God is exceeding merciful in this life, many suffering terminally ill people who want to die disagree with you. .

I disagree, considering the alternative of not existing at all. I'd rather exists, and then become terminally ill (and we all will), than not exist at all ever. Which seems to be the alternative you offer.
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